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M.A. To give an asnwer to the poster will do him no good. We could publish a spreadsheet with all the seminars and thier value for money, seasonly adjusted, and include historic variations and currency exchange yet still people would winge about the “bad” seminar presenters and their “evil” illgotten gains. What would be the point of that?
My point is that the winger has no intention to do better if good advice is coming his way, in fact he is not even interested in a practical answer and I venture to say he was probably never been scammed by no bad seminar presenter. Wingers need to winge because they are dissatisfied, yet contrary to what postive proactive dissatisfied people do, they want to remain in their comfort zone and ask for others to step back, that is the purpose of the winge. Take no action, show your victimhood and sit and wait for others to take action, whilst you winge more about all the other successful people and how they do not deserve what they have since as we all know success = dishonesty. No honest person can earn such outrageous amounts like $xxxk a year (xxx = your own bias and pre set limit)
There are bad seminars? Big whoop so what! There are also good one and plenty, grow up and learn to make proper choices. Got caught in a poor value for money one? Call yourself fortunate to be exposed to a new lesson. Take all you can that is positive, shake your sandals and keep on walking. If you do not use sandals and do not walk, what can I say to help? Very little.
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Thongs are not sandals[biggrin]“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcOriginally posted by The Mortgage Adviser:Marc,
I am very interested in your opinion as to seminars that present themselves as providing the ‘secret to success’ or educational content and. when you get there, they just want to sell you property or some ridiculous ‘system’ that will ‘guarantee success’.
It is clear that snake oil salesman exist, and so do Tram floggers, but such identities are well known. Do you buy into a suburb whitout research? What do you do after, complaining about the bad neighbours?
I read into this sort of threads a little bit further. People who need to vent their anger against others who are less than pure as the reason for their shortcomings or that pull their hair at the mention of the income made by people that are more or less prominent, should listen and watch themselvs doing all this and perhaps draw one or two conclusions from that.We are what WE think and do… not what others think and do. (leaned this at a seminar
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcPS
This site must be the only site in the whole wide world that when you sign in to post something, you are not realy signed in and must do so over and over unless you sign at the top of the page. This is my winge for the day.[cigar]Yet another “seminars are scam” thread …[baaa]
I think that all seminars are a scam and all books are a scam and all teachers useless if they do not deliver to the person what he seeks. This of course being a totally subjective view.
So if I buy a Bentley and it does not fit in my garage it is a scam. Equally if I pay for a seminar and it flies over my head it is a scam. If I buy a book on prosperity yet I must cuddle and pet my victim mentality daily, the book is a rip off. If I pay for a course to teach me algebra that I already learned in primary school, the course is a scam.
I particularly detest comments that go on the line of how much the seminar presenter makes.
Since when is there an obligation from others to give us free information? or cheap?
I don’t have any of my properties available rent free or at half price. Do you?
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcSydney market is busted, people are going broke left right and centre, banks are cutting their losses and relocating in China and Pakistan, the current recession makes the thirties look like a picnic I am diggin out a bunker in my backyard to wheather out the bad times, stocking up on no frill food …. [baaa]
Come on people join in it is dmichie’s birthsday!!“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcOriginally posted by HotRod
All things are possible to the person who believes they are possible.
Whateve the mind of man can conceive and believe, the mind can achieve.
Napoleon Hill
Agreed, love Napoleon Hill.
Yet prefer Lassy Winget who wrote a book entitled “Shut up, stop whinign & get a life”I have yet to hear a more pitifull statement then “I feel guilty about the money I made”. It not only defies all logic but it screems of anti-values and limiting beliefs so loud that it is deafening.
Mr Car(stro) from New South Cuba may be interested in your ideas dm.
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcOriginally posted by dmichie:
[brThese people are pretty well off by any measure, and have done very well out of just sitting on a property that they bought decades ago. As for retirement, why shouldn’t investment properties and holiday homes be taxed if superannuation is taxed three times; when you contribute, on the earnings of the fund, and when you are paid out.dmichie, your post smell all of resentment against holders of properties.
It seems that you believe achieving a high value in asset’s accumulated by (in your view) “passive” means, is a sin and must be punished. Whoever has not suffered and worked hard to achieve a large capital portfolio is a parasite and must be stripped from his ill- gotten gain. Additional public flogging is encouraged.[baaa]I know people who think like you and they are generally the one that run behind the trends also known as Johnny came late, complaining about the one that did well as the responsible for the “debacle” in the market, the “overpriced” properties, the “exodus” of population to other states, the “unaffordable” housing due to all this bas###ds speculators who secretly meet at night time in the sewer drains to plot the next market take over. They also usually applaud new taxes directed at property holders and usually leap from joy at any mention of changes in legislation to do with Trust and Companies.
Pretty sad really, and not conductive to anything constructive, particularly for the person doing the resenting. Until you lern to celebrate other people’s victories, your own victories get further and further away.
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcOriginally posted by markpatrick:Interesting topic, someone said that to be all doom and gloom is a bad thing then went on to say that is a sad and bad world we live in.
Balance is probably the key, striving to be totally positive all the time is not only unwise but is also impossible, as these posts have shown.Markpatrick, this is indeed an interesting thread, information seems to be offered here as a mean to clobber the opponent….hehe a lot of fun.
My comments are posted only as a prompt for people to think about why we act the way we do. Satisfaction from the negative and fear of the positive are but a syndrome of misplaced values and anti-values. An analysis of our actions away from the heat of our overrated opinions can bring light and a change to achieve what we today think to be impossible.
By the way if your post above refers to mine, I should clarify that all I said was in sarcastic mode and should be read as such, perhaps I should have used quotations marks. Sorry.[biggrin]
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcFirst of all Sydney receives an influx of some 70,000 migrants a year, so much for people leavingIts net migration that counts, if more people leave than arrive in Sydney then you have a net loss. More importantly, its young people who a leaving in droves. To quote from the Colebatch article: “(NSW) actually went backwards among the under-40s, losing a net 11,400 younger people, while gaining 167,400 of the middle-aged and elderly”
Prices go up because more people want to buy than there is on offer, so two or more people want to buy the same house and whoever pays more wins.You obviously haven’t been to any auctions in Sydney recently! I looked at a house yesterday that has sat on the market for months. They dropped their price 20% this week and I was the only person to inspect during yesterday’s open house. I reckon I could offer 20% less again confident that no-one else would outbid me.
Hum, what to say to the above? So we lost 12,000 young and gained 170,000 mature and that is …. bad?
When I concede that some are of the opinion that over 40 are ancient and over 50 should be shot, in my (old) book of demographics that is a severe NET gain in people who have large housing needs. Furthermore I rather have an over 60 tenant than a 30 year old. If you do not, I don’t know what business you are in but it is certainly not residential investment.As to your response to my simplistic explanation of the market, I don’t think you read it properly. You are quoting me in reference to an up market yet referring to a current down….but hey, I am not in the business of convincing people, if you enjoy the downslide because it makes you feel better, slide away!
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcBut its not doom and gloom about the economy! Lower housing prices are the best thing that could possibly happen to Sydney, it might stem the tide of people leaving the city because they can’t afford anything.Besides the comments made by others about your focus on the negative that may transpire also from other post I have not read, your idea that falling prices is good because it stops people from living is misinformed and contradicts economic principles, yet perhaps defining your own thought pattern.
First of all Sydney receives an influx of some 70,000 migrants a year, so much for people leaving.
Second, prices are the result of offer and demand plus external government interventions.Prices go up because more people want to buy than there is on offer, so two or more people want to buy the same house and whoever pays more wins.
The motivations for people to buy a house in any market, varies from wanting to cash a government carrot, to genuine housing or investment needs to Johnny came late syndrome.
Prices go down because one or more of the above factors declines and there is more than one house for each buyer.
In any market there are always hype merchants and gloom merchant. In my experience, the true hype merchant are usually professionals with a hidden agenda, yet the gloom merchants are a bit different.
You have on one hand the media who sell doom and gloom as their way to attract viewers of a negative mind set (the majority) in order to sell them Toyota and Macdonald. But in the gloom selling world there is a large bunch of amateurs, the volunteers of downturn and disaster, who spread the bad news real or imaginary created by the professionals in the media, in an attempt to support their own negative view of the world.
“I told you so” would perhaps be the best sentence they can come up with, and any attempt to explain how a negative focus will forcibly become a reality if you keep long enough at it is met with ridicule.
Optimist or positive focused people are fools in their eyes, and doom and gloom volunteers keep their mouth corners in a downturn curve and a persistent frown funeral director style on their forehead, as a mark of seriousness and gravity, that makes them in their view in tune with this sad and truly bad world we live in. Disaster in a doom volunteer is default and positive things happen by accident and through “luck” or a “brake” in the naturally bad world.
I think that any attempt to turn people of this mindset around is a long shot and usually needs a lot of dedication. Large employers spend millions in hiring professionals for this purpose even when the results are usually in the 5% order, simply because the natural man does not want to change and clings to his own values or anti-values as if his life depend on it. An in a sense it does. If you are happy with the results you obtained so far, all you need to do is keep on doing what you are doing and you get more of the same.
Yet to conclude on your “disaster is good” idea, it is a fact of life that some people feel at easy in a falling market because it alleviates them from the pressure of achieving success.In a way people that think like this feel relieved from the fact that in a downturn market disaster is common to all, so if I am in trouble so is everyone else, and anything I can achieve by chance is a bonus. In an upward market though, success is the trend and for a negative person this is unbearable and a pressure that is intolerable. People who succeed in an upward market become “speculators” and “greedy” in their eyes, they will find all sort of excuses to place labels of broken ethics, immorality, cruelty or any other alien factor they can think of onto the optimistic who is doing well in order to justify their own mediocrity. A market crash or downturn is so welcomed that they slide down with the rest with a smile on their face picking some wins here and there on the way down firmly believing this is the best way to go.
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcRobert, you reflect and magnify what you read in the media, what I say is that you have no real information only second hand propaganda, and no I don’t play the stock market, yet if I did, I clould have done a lot worst than subscribing to Rivkin advice.
Anubis, hyperbole? what can I say to someone who does not sign his own post?
Wayne, good post despite the scallywag (what’s a scallywag anyway?) If you are ever at the receiving end of any window dressing government department you can only feel sorry for whoever they decide to attack for political point scoring. Admire the genius, Rivkin was an extraordinary achiever. Forgive the mistakes, given power and opportunity many of us would have done worst. Look yourself in the mirror and try to do better if you can. Call again when you have your own yacht with helicopter on the back deck. Perhaps then others will whisper as well “Oh remember Him? He use to post on propertyinvesting and had a scam going on there. hehe
Nice website Wayne, good trading!
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcI can see that there are plenty of “informed” people around here who are quick to judge on the basis of their “information”.
Unfortunately your sources are biased and are paid to make headlines in order to sell you Coca Cola and McDonalds and make you belief you now know it all.
Reality is somehow different and when the misinformation bosses have fulfilled their purposes of selling you newspapers and ads, they have failed to inform you. Rivkin’s peccadillos are pale when compared to the miscarriage of justice of a campaign waged against him from an organisations that needed to show power for political purposes whilst bending backwards for the corporate bosses they serve who brake the law openly every day.
You should know better than parrot back what you read in the gossip columns.
Rivkin was a brilliant mind and a generous nature yet had a lousy psychiatrist.
May he rest in peace.“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcAll this ideas are good. Olives grow almost anywhere it is a matter of choosing the appropriate variety, a fish-farm is good too but unlike a few trees planted and left to grow, it is a capital and labour intensive industry, think several hundred of thousands just to get started.
You can add to this greenhouse production and other ideas.However your considerations at this stage are not what can be done to appear a business but rather will the tax man fall for this. The answer is probably not. There are rules about hobby farms and when do they stop being a hobby. Better ask an accountant that is knowledgeable in this fields, and no, not all are.
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcSounds interesting but can you apply this advice to Australia?
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcHa ha Rod that’s a good question. You will find that most people are quick to describe their victories but slow to admit their failures. However the string of failures that precede success are necessary and a valuable part of the success process.
It is us that prolong the journey by not recognising the lessons that are in the difficulties we encounter. So the natural thing is to attempt each one in his own way to shorten the learning process for others, yet we display a mixed bag of success in that field perhaps because of lack of formal training, there are no schools for fathers or uncles or Internet good wishers…[cigar]I have e-mailed you a book that I hope will help in your quest, it was written by a person that took like me the long way to success who unlike me put pen to paper for future generations. When you finish that one I can send you another.
Let me know.“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcSo when I was talking about CO2 you were talking about CH4 hum, certainly more inflamatory[suave2]
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcThis article, had I the writing skills, is something that I could have written myself.Well there you go! this is something I can agree with.[biggrin]
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Petard? you do have writing skills….
and I should have said “releasing CO2” in stead of hot air [blink]“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcHi Rodsway, despite the wording, I like your post. [meaning, you are rude and imprudent but I see potential somewhere] Prosperity comes to the one that seek it convinced that it is a matter of fact. Of course such attitude is not all that is needed but it helps.
Remember also that your income is always equal to your personal development, your income grows as you grow. [Not in stature or weight but in your prosperity consciousness]
Another one [figure of speech] is that you get paid according to how much value you add to other people’s life. In other words, there is no such thing as something for nothing.[meaning to receive you must give first simple life mathematics]
Think what is it that you can give and so you will receive. Bird-Dogging [use the search engine to figure this out, not a mystery],is a cheap service, think of something more creative. An idea that is worth more than capital would be a good start.[Ideas can be a contribution towards a partnership of even more value than finances]
Took me 30 years to figure that one out, I hope it takes you less time.
Is that you in the photo?
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No PM please, just post here.“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcLike in a football match, in the economy there are two team of players, a referee and lots of public. Players come in all shape and form, some are better than others, some get hurt, even killed, yet they have something in common. They all play.
If you listen intently at the public most seem to know a lot about the game….yet they themselves do not play.
There is a third more despicable species though, the commentators. They not only do not play, but whilst they pocked sizable portion of money for talking a lot of hot air, they go further in telling you all the problems associated with each player why is it that they are so wrong and bad, and fall just short of stating they would do better…..yet they do not.
Economy commentators are worst than economist since they do not even attempt at emulating economist by making disparaging claims for future events based on projection of historic past, but they content themselves with reporting the bad and the ugly in downturn markets and the good and the lovely in up moving markets. A pathetic drum beat that goes where the wind blows and could be reduced to a few onomatopoeic sounds like Uuu, Aaa, Eee.
Thank God that the economy is made by doers and not bla bla bla’ers and that there are many doers still around.
http://www.chosen4u.com/?ace“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcThank you Geoff and ‘notabroker’, I supposed I got used to the broker to come home but now that I think about it who wants a stranger to puff hot air in your living room for an hour if you can do over the phone and mail? My wife use to hide when the broker came he he. I can’t use him anymore since he is on err emm long holidays on a certain farm…. [blink]
I think I will give our resident Sydney broker Terry a call.[biggrin]“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
MarcMm, interesting possibilities….. I wonder if anyone factored in his investment strategies the possibility of a super eruption in Yellowstone? I mean, according to the TV show I saw the other day it is overdue….[cigar]
“What you want in your life occasionally shows up…
what you must have… always does.” . . . . . Doug Firebaugh
May God Prosper you.[biggrin]
Marc
