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    I had the good fortune to be at a seminar run by them with Bernard Zick. Great stuff! As posted previously, it was all on different ways of using options that were very creative. Apparently ol’ Bernard’s been around the tracks for a very long time and claims to have trained 23 known property “guru’s” (the only one I recognised in the list was Robert Allen).
    The book I read by Paul Hanna a while back was a bit bland (of the “You can DO it! Yes, you CAN! REALLY!” school) but the seminar was excellent. Can’t speak for what Paul & Danny themselves are like as speakers, but in my mind every one’s a great source of knowledge. You just need to decide which area of their lives you want to learn from, and as Anthony Robbins puts it (grossly paraphrased) whether that aspect should be “an inspiration or a warning” to you!
    The (property) options course I did was, thankfully, an inspiration. [:)]

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    PS!

    For anyone who hasn’t the foggiest on calculating the impact of the mortgages they’re looking at, Cannex has a funky little calculator at http://www.cannex.com.au/mortcalc.html that will give you the APR of your mortgage. The APR (or true rate) is what the interest rate they’re charging *would* be if you include all fees and charges! Not perfect, but very enlightening! Most of the loan products out there they’ve also pre-calculated already and can be seen at http://www.cannex.com.au/surveys/mortgage.htm .

    Invest well kids!

    Quasimodo

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    I’d say any rebate is just another number to plug into your financial calculator when doing your due dilligence calculations. I remember Peter Spann saying on one CD that most Australian banks make as much (or more!) from their mortgage fees as they do from the interest (as all their customers focus on getting a low, low interest rate beyond all else). Sure X hundred dollars isn’t something to be ignored, but if they’re charging it back (and then some!) by giving a higher commission to get your broker to put you into an unflattering loan then what’s the point? Ultimately what seems to matter most to me is (still) just putting all the associated numbers through a calculator and figuring which loan takes you closest to your goals.

    Let all the numbers decide! All else is financial candy. [:P]

    Quasimodo

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    Assuming the deal set up is a kind of lease option, then I’d arrange to have the amount of the mortgage payments automatically paid into the bank mortgage and then be sending the seller the remainder…

    Also, I know that in North America when an investor puts down an option it’s normal to also register a, I think it’s called a “Notice of Memorandum” which clouds the title, blocking the sale or refinancing of that property without the agreement of the option holder. Presumably this would also mean that the bank had to contact the option holder also… [?]

    Good question! What says everyone else on this?

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    Hey there Freedom

    I remember reading the stats once that the vast majority of property “investors” only own one property. Of those a massive proportion were -ve geared in “nice suburbs with good perceived potential appreciation”. Having worked in two very well known seminar companies and getting to know most of the main customers my experience was certainly that there are usually a core handfull (around 5-20) that really take the ball and run, and only a further 30-50 who take enough significant action to actually *do* anything also. Whilst I don’t have the experience to prove it – it is my deepest suspicion that the market for highly motivated student investors is – and always will be – wide open. As others have said before me, knowing what to do is only 10% of success. Having the psychology to do it is the other 90%. The only thing is that from my experience 90% is overly conservative!

    Quasimodo

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    Hey there Steve!

    A very engaging introduction! I loved the use of a story to begin as it immediately drew my imagination effortlessly into the book. I especially loved the part:

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    it dawned upon her that she was now able to enjoy a permanent long weekend for the rest of her life.


    As not many people have ever entertained the idea of what they would do if they never had to work again, but EVERYone knows they would love more time for what they do on “special” events like long weekends!

    To be completely honest I always tend to find myself skipping over parts in any introduction that proclaim “if XXXXX then this is for you”. In my mind the most compelling reason for me to buy a book, is if what they say they’re going to teach is a)relevant to me and b)credible. We all have umpteen people proclaiming they have just what we need which for me provokes a “I’ll be the judge of that thank-you very much! Just give me the info to do it! Now! [:)]” feeling.

    I love your indirect way of dispelling people’s fears by having “other” people being the one’s saying “I’m too busy” etc. A great way to address readers fears before they have a chance to turn into skepticism!

    One NLP technique I’ve found consistently useful is using a “moving towards” frame as much as possible, or in English, talking about what you’re aiming for. In this sense, we’ve all read “This isn’t a get-rich quick scheme” many times… usually from people promoting get rich quick schemes! [xx(] This sentance may be more powerful stating what kind of book this *is*… IE “This is a book that will surely and steadily allow you to build excess income that doesn’t care if you’re spending time with your family or not.” The point here is that the verbs “surely” and “steadily” imply that you’re not talking about overnight riches while giving the reader something positive to focus on. I’m sure you can come up with far better ways again than my (briefly thought about) example!

    These minute ideas aside, your introduction kicks a$$ (especially the reference to modern day slavery! [:O] ). I know I’m planning on buying copies of it for myself, my family and any investors I work with in future – and if just your introduction can convince people to do that… then I fugure you must be doing something extremely right!

    Looking forward to helping your sales hit a million+

    Quasimodo

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    Read as much as you can on the topic, get some good people around you to advise you (eg lawyer, mentor, insurance broker), find out what repairs will earn the most $ back, look at lots of comparable sales in the area and go make some offers!

    Good luck! [:)]

    Quasimodo

    PS Reading every post that’s been left here from page 1 onwards will also give you a great head start!

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    My Mum work uses a debt colector, they take a 10% commision, and thats it, no work for you so why not. Also i think the NSW sherrif might do that kind of work.


    Personally I’d go with the debt collector

    We’re going through the NSW Sheriff on a non business matter and so far we’ve had to go through court appearances (where the other party never even turned up), reem of paperwork, waiting in a few hours worth of cues and ultimately once we were even able to provide the bank account details of the other party, orders to garnish their bank account. We still haven’t seen any actual money back.

    From my experience all it seems to take to get around the state Sheriff is to move house and possibly change bank accounts. After that the sheriff doesn’t even keep looking unless you can supply them with the exact address of the person who owes you money.

    10% to have the other 90% collected by professionals with an incentive to deliver sounds like a great deal by comparision to me!

    Quasimodo

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    Hey there ’40

    What kind of strategy are you looking at? Buy and hold? Wraps? Flips?

    You may want to add to that list the *type* of property that makes up the majority of sales in the area (is it all 2 bedroom units, split level townhouses, large old Queenslanders?). The more like the average sale your property is, the greater the demand is likely to be at a decent price level for the area IMHO.

    Rental yields could be worth looking at, too so you can see the difference between what it would rent/wrap for compared to what mortgage payments are likely to be.

    Hope this helps!

    Quasimodo

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    I live O/S & therefore it is quite difficult to find and research properties at the rate I would like to.


    How about looking for appropriate places to wrap in your country of residence? There’s nothing magic about Australia and wraps (in fact if you look at the laws, there’s quite a bit of “unmagical” stuff! [xx(] ) What country are you in?

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    Hey AD!

    Good to have you back!

    Personally I’m up to a whole lotta plottin’, planning and goal setting as I get ready to move to back to Oz (up to Qld for a change!) and start wrapping like a wildman! (or so the plan has it! [:D] ). Two weeks and one marriage (to a most wonderfull Canadian [:)]) to go! (April 13’th!)
    The areas are (roughly) selected, we’ve been watching houselistings for weeks, LOL! We’ve even selected the charity we’re going to tithe part profits to! [^]

    Goodbye snow… hello Queensland palm trees…[:P]

    T minus 15 days and counting!….

    Quasimodo

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    How nice of them to send you six months of NII sponsored propagan – er magazine subscription – (check the fine print on the contents page…), and throw in a free sales presentation, too!

    You might want to do a search on ASIC’s website and see how useful they think Henry’s seminars are.

    After you’re done do a search on this board for Henry Kaye and NII and I’m sure you’ll have some “interesting” questions for them when you go.

    May your investing be happy, trouble free and full of role models you can trust!

    Quasimodo

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    As Soosh says, a building inspection is vital.

    I’d add to that list a title and pest inspection along with running comparable sales. You can get these either from an independant company such as rpdata, home price guide, property value etc or by asking your agent for comps – just be aware they may choose to only show you ones that suit them!

    I’d also check out the vacancy rates (often these can be gotten from the relevant state government statistics dept) and what rents are like in the area as you wouldn’t want to put your monthly payments massively above these (like more than 20-40%).

    That should keep you busy! [:D]

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    and ask that you will sign the offer and the contract in the office ,but you require the vendor to be there to countersign.


    I think I’m missing something here… What’s the purpose of this? So you can negotiate with the vendor face to face? So the agent can’t make up phantom bids?

    Hooooo boy. Back to bed, Quasimodo! [;)]

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    Thanks EnjoLady!

    We get good stuff from so many people here!

    Some of it occasionally about real estate! [;)]

    Quasimodo

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    Seems to me that we (humans) need enough uncertainty (=variety=growth) to test us, but enough certainty (=security=assurance) to protect us from running smack into doing something stupid!My instinct is that the key is constantly looking at where we are between these two poles and investing there accordingly. That way, you start with something simple that you can feel secure enough to have a good experience (as opposed to an experience that associates investing to terror and pain! [xx(] ) and then work up to the higher return, more complex deals. Most successes I’ve read about weren’t satisfied with inaction, but they did start small.

    I have to admit that I personally am more the “Let’s jump off a cliff to see if we can fly! [:D]” type of personality. It’s given me some great experiences, but I won’t pretend I never hit the ground! [B)]. I believe that Shakespeare summed what I’m saying up best: “To Thine Own Good Self Be True”.

    *sigh* School was good for something I guess! [;)]

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    Is it all about making money?

    Well, let’s ask a question? Why would you want the money? Do you really want pieces of plastic with pictures of dead people on them? Personally I don’t! What I *would* like is the power to influence my world in the ways that make it better for both myself and others to live in, and, co-incidentally money happens to help me do that. Money just happens to be able to let me spend more time giving to my family and community. It happens to give me more freedom to do fun stuff! It gives me the ability to choose the things I am *passionate* about in life. You could give the same money to someone who’s goal was just to accumulate money. They, too would reach their goal, but who do you think would have been given a better quality of life when they got there?

    As to the charity example, the Rockerfeller Foundation gives away millions each year to help unfortunate families. Whatever you think of Rockerfeller as a person, who would argue that he would have contributed a greater social good by giving a few hours to the local charity than by establishing his foundation that helps hundreds years after his death?

    Quasimodo

    PS 10 Point’s for being prepared to honestly express your questions, where the easiest answer would have been to go with an unthinking socially acceptable answer. Much appreciated!

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    True, you need to factor in vacancies, or find a creative way around them! [:)] For example if you look up the area and see that there’s an 8% vacancy rate, I’d assume that your place is going to be vacant 10% of the time when crunching your numbers.

    One alternative to just assuming the worst on rental vacancy is to line a tennant up *before* purchase through something such as an “agreement on sale”. This way you can negotiate a property with a 30 day escape clause with the right in that time to show the property to prospective “occupants” (as this could mean either a tennant or purchaser). If you find someone who likes it, you get them to sign a agreement on sale document that states if you buy the property then they will rent / wrap purchase it. This way when you buy it, you have a contracted tennant already arranged. If there is no interest in the property from tennants whatsoever, you can invoke the escape clause.

    This does require more negotiation skills as obviously not every vendor will be thrilled with the idea of a 30 day escape clause, however if by having the security of this clause, you can offer them a higher price, knowing that your profit is assured (and that you don’t need to factor in above average vacancy rates) then the vendor and you may just have found a win win solution.

    As in any problem solving the question is what really is the problem? Are they more interested in a higher price (:. use the 30 day method) or a faster settlement (:. they’ll need to be more flexible on price).

    Anyone have any other ideas on protecting your profit upfront?

    Quasimodo

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    I wholeheartedly agree with the Anthony Robbins reccomendations. Overall though there’s a few things that can be done.

    1) Research – Not knowing your market should be cause for genuine fear that shouldn’t be ignored! [;)] Sometimes *specific* research can dull *specific* fears nicely. eg fear of paying to much – research comparable sales figures. The problem is when fears are general (ie what if I make a mistake????) which can never be answered. Research also becomes a problem when it is mixed up with *taking action*. Both are necessary. Neither alone is enough.

    2) Mittigate. As suggested above, if you have a clear idea of the risks and the odds of them happening, and have plans that limit your downside here, then not only is it defined (and thus less prone to being blown up in your imagination) but you also have a clear vision of yourself overcoming any challenges.

    3) To quote Anthony Robbins know your outcome and your purpose. ie know what you want and even more importantly WHY you want it.We’re talking the EMOTIONAL reasons here. Be specific. Really think about what all the benefits will feel like when you have them. ie “Because investing will set me free financially letting me spend as much time with my kids as I choose, giving them a role model of a parent who loves what they do. Investing will let me choose what I do with my life allowing me to go surfing right when the waves are beating down perfectly on my favourite beach which is deserted because everyone else is off at work! [:D] Taking action will teach me more about who I am and give me the leadership skills to start my own company called XXXX.” etc. etc. For all I know NONE of these may mean squat to you, so write your own list. Use powerful, emotional words. Make as long a list as you can. Think about it, imagine it and feel it as you do it.

    4) As much as possible, hang around people who are successful in the areas you’re most afraid (eg negotiating, getting finance etc). The more you see and hear success the more likely it becomes (even if you only see/hear/feel it in your imagination). Unfortunately the same is true for failure.

    Realise that what you do to overcome this fear is more valuable than anything else you get from investing. In my opinion learning to overcome fear is one of the greatest assets to a life of happiness available. You have already shown a willingness to look for ways to get past fear by posting on this forum. Keep going and you get *all* the rewards. Good luck and go for it!

    Quasimodo

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    Seems like a pretty clear case of spending 50 cents to make a dollar to me…[:)]

    Quasimodo

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