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  • Profile photo of dan1canhamdan1canham
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    I’m sure the Brokers on this site will not like this new site and service? – http://nakedmortgages.com.au/
    But it’s worth checking out if you want to recieve the commission they would normally get! I’m in the process of doing the online forms and if all goes through I’ll receive 3k once the loan is approved.

    Profile photo of Scott No MatesScott No Mates
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    It all depends upon the service that you're after.

    Profile photo of JpcashflowJpcashflow
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    You might get 3 k once the loan Is approved but how do you now if you loan is being set up in the best way possible?

    A 3 k saving noway cost you thousands in the future 

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Organisations and sites like this have been around for years and there is nothing new. 

    Doesn't worry me in the world and i am sure most other Brokers would be in the same position.

    Do they tell you how to structure your loan or where to go to reduce your LMI cost etc. Course they don't.

    You can buy a book and do your own conveyancing and that saves you a few dollars but how many purchasers would be foolish 

    to do so.

    Professional investors understand that interest rate is fairly immaterial over the term of the loan and most clients are looking for more than the lowest rate.

    If this is the case then you would not use websites like this as some lenders that do not pay commission offer lower rates than the high street Banks already.

    You have to ask yourself why did CBA / Anz etc divest themselves of their online lending models.

    Maybe it was because they just didn't work.

    Exactly the same reason why all Banks closed every Branch in every small town at the start of the decade and now are

    re-opening them all back up again. 

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Oh also forgot to ask do you have to pay the commission back if you refinance the loan or pay it out within the first 18 months when you realise you are paying too much and another lender offers you a cheaper rate.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    There's nothing new with this approach.

    It's been around for years – refund home loans was probably one of the more well known users of this model….and look what happened there.

    I'd question the quality of any brokerage that needs to rebate clients in order to attract business.

    As for the end of mortgage brokers in 2013….that's not going to happen and the decent brokers won't be going out of business any time soon.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of JpcashflowJpcashflow
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    Just had a look at this site, Give it a few more months and the new URL will be http://www.outofbussiness.com/wewontpayyoucommision 

    Richard or Jamie, I could be wrong but what concerns me is this, When you enter your information on this site, How would a individual know that their information is not being passed on to a 3rd party? Also if a person does not disclose all of their information and their loan gets rejected "etc" wouldn't that effect their score card for borrowing?

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    Profile photo of dan1canhamdan1canham
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    Happy my post has sparked some debate (although mostly negative in response). I know this type of service started with Refund Home Loans but the difference is they had actual branches, Naked does not. Anyway I’m happy with my 3k and loan structure which my accountant and financial planner have endorsed.

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Dan there has been similar models with no branch or franchise networks before and they didn't survive either.

    As i say i actually encourage such competition as so many client's realise what little they get in the way of structured loan planning from such organisations.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    Personally, I don't think you can in any way substitute the quality of service you get when you manage to find a MB you can establish a relationship with and trust implicitly.

    Not only is a great MB there to structure your finances correctly but also supports and helps you to achieve your goals. The relationship should be personal because it will most likely develop over many years. 

    When you find an MB that answers your emails at stupid o'clock in the morning from anywhere in the world and actually listens to your crazy ideas, well…that's gold!

    Cash back schemes are just another marketing ploy…pffft. Why settle for a Skoda when you can drive the Aston Martin wink

    Jack 

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    yes this is nothing new. a lot of forum members used to waste the time of brokers trying to work out which lender and how to structure their loans and then trot off to a refund broker. not the sort of client you would want to have anyway.

     this part of the reason why i now charge clients to do their first loan. the other reason is because i also offer my knowledge of tax, law and financial planning skills.

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Terry totally agree.

    I have a couple of deals i have done for forum members where before i left for the UK we had the loans approved, loan documents issued and then 2 days before Settlement their existing Bank said we will cut the rate by 10 bps if you stay with us after all.

    They have decided not to proceed after all.

    As it happens post the December rate reduction they would have been better of in both interest rate and loan structure had they refinanced after all as the lender we recommend cut the rate even further than their existing lender but it is not only about rate as i say so often.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    and they probably have kept their loans crossed too:-):-)

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    No gets better Terry they had the 2 properties crossed but they told him that even though he had 110% borrowings the loans wouldn't be crossed going forward.

    Must be magic.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    Fair enough if it cost you a fortune to use a great mortgage broker to help you set up your loans… but it doesn't!!?? It costs you NOTHING!!!! There isn't much you can get for nothing these days! I think they are worth more than what they get…

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi Dan

    I'm not a mortgage broker but I'm sure you'll get what you pay for  ;-)  Not putting a long term finance plan together with one of the terrific brokers here is, I think, pretty short sited as, I'm sure you don't want what you're doing now to hinder your future plans.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Qlds007 wrote:
    No gets better Terry they had the 2 properties crossed but they told him that even though he had 110% borrowings the loans wouldn't be crossed going forward.

    Must be magic.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

     bet they regret it already

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Hi Paul

    Yes almost a matter of getting what you dont pay for lol

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    Banks change their minds every 5 seconds about the kinds of properties they do and don't like, and the kinds of buyers they do and don't like.  One week, a purchaser who works as a contractor will be able to borrow $500k from a particular bank to purchase a property.  A week later, said bank decides it doesn't like contractors any more.  If that purchaser applies to that bank, he'll get a big fat rejection stamp on his credit file, and he tries another bank.  He cannot afford many rejection stamps before nobody at all will lend to him.  Brokers are submitting loans on behalf of thousands of people each week and as such are completely up to speed with what each of the banks are currently thinking and how a loan application will pan out.  Soooo much easier for this reason to let a broker deal with your application for you. 

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    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    I also wonder if the companies that are using the rebate type models are selective with the clients they take on. I couldn't see them going to the effort of dealing with complex deals.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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