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    Scott No Mates wrote:
    AS wian indicates, units are the only choice in many  parts of the world, planners in Aus are pushing that way. When the realisation hits that it is cheaper to live in/around the cbd, not to commute (by car) and that entertainment is at your doorstep – then the pros of city living will boost capital appreciation. As per usual, you need to consider location and keep in mind the strata levies which are payable (some are quite horrific ie $10k pa +)

    good points :)

    i have 2 apartments in the CBD and 1 house in the middle suburbs of Melbourne.  There are definitely pros and cons of chosing apartments or houses. For instance, i bought my apartments brand new, and the depreciation to be claimed against my tax was much higher than if i had have bought a house, and nothing has needed fixing with my new apartments for the last 5 years, which most likely wouldnt have occured if i had have bought a house, and finally, because they are in a great location, the rents have grown by at least 20% per annum, which would have not happened if i had have bought a house.  On the flip side, i suppose i have missed out on some capital growth, but i certainly know i would have had a battle paying off the house due to the lower rents and i would have been getting less of my tax back due to the poor depreciation etc

    so there is plenty of food for thought there

    My main belief is that you always look at property long term, say 7 years – but impatient people want to make a quick profit, and thats where they can become un stuck

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    Scamp wrote:
    yep , me too, positive about the sharemarkets in the future. Much more money to be made on shares than on property. Renting and investing is a much better option than buying a property.
    Why lose 50K a year and even more on capital losses, if you can make 100K a year with the same investment ?
    Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'd rather invest my cash in shares ( the right ones ) and make money instead.

    Plenty of opportunity is there, just not in property.

    hindsight is a wonderfiul thing isnt it…  Yes, there is plenty of money to be made now the share market has shit itself, but what about all the thousands and thousands of people who have blown their money over the last 3 months or so?  everyoe is clever in hindsight, but the reality is, if you play with the stock market and dont know what your doing, and you dont sell at the right time, you can lose big time ..

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    hbbehrendorff wrote:
    Actually wise words in the post above,   I have had many people say how can you judge whats going to happen in the future by the past,  Well I say to those people,  Obviouslly you have not studied history enough or you would not be saying that.

    True we have many resources within australia,  But like I said in a previous post,  china is opening a new mine every second day,  Also mining cannot support our whole ecconomy.

    Australia unlike back in the day produces very little in terms of factory output or agriculture products,  Australia has lead in the same path as the americans turning into a service,  tourism and consumer ecconomy,  This will end up as many people will eventually find out be devastating.

    The country's who own and run the factories and the farms will be the best of,  And as time will show they will emerge to become the words most powerfull economy's

    If Australia is going to be a leading nation in the future we need to give way to our current ways and turn back to the old day's when we where more self sufficient.  We need to be a exporting country,   Not an importing country.

    Australia needs to run its own factories again and more people need to become farmers again to vastly increase our agricultural strength.

    Like ummester said in the post above,   Its time to be in the most secure job you can get,  No matter if its low paying or not,  Because if your only interested in the high flying jobs you may be alright today but next year you will be unemployed.  Personally I think manual jobs will be more secure as manual jobs always need to be done,  Yet we won't need as many waitress in the future as less people will be going out to dinner ect.

    I hope that some people can see the light and don't continue to believe that the way things are now cannot continue to be forever.

    now thats something i really agree with you on :)  WE need to be more self sufficuent.  We should be exporting more and doing things for ourselves.  I agree.  But the problem is, its far cheaper to get it done overseas, so its a catch 22 situation – what do we do?

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    I think you need to stop watching Australian Idol and do some serious research into History and non mainstream media and current events to get a proper perspective as to what is really going on.
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    trust me , i hate australian idol !  hehe !

    oh well, you come into the world with nothing, you leave with nothing, so i dont really worry about it too much to be honest.  Money and wealth isnt my God, so i dont really get all uptight about it….

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    i wish i understood shares : (

    i dont seem to have the time to really understand it fully , so i would rather invest in property…

    However, i know at the moment you could probably make a shit load of money in shares if given the correct advice on what to buy

    Any thoughts?

    Wian

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    ajayayyar wrote:

    Hi petrona – thanks for the info.

    Regarding the reduced capital appreciation potential, do you know roughly how much percentage lower than regular house appreciation the growth rate would be?

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    Ajay

    How longs a piece of string?

    Fact is, no one knows .  I personally think that Australia is behind the rest of the world with regards to apartments.  Most people who live in new york or london or any asian city live in apartments. and they would be damn expensive if they are in a prime location –   but because australians mostly live in houses, i suppose the capital appreciation ( at the moment ) may be a little better.  However, i personally believe that good apartments in areas like sydney with a view of the harbour , and in high potential areas like docklands in melbourne, will be good in the long term..  I personally own 2 apatments in docklands melbourne, and the rents i am achieving are astronomical, and i can see capital growth occuring over the long term, but you must be willing to hold on to them, long term….

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    it amazes me the scare tactics the media and others go on about, painting all this doom and gloom rubbish.  the fact is , no one knows whats going to happen.  and i would think that once it all settles down, i am sure the prices will correct themselves a bit, but they wont crash.  If anything, people will pulltheir money out of shares and put it back into property,

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    another thought – why dont they make the bonus grant payable on the day of settlement  for yr property- not the day you signed the contract?

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    bardon wrote:
    still a goer but wait fellow tax payer is this moral ?

    Hehe ! i love the irony in this comment !  There are only 2 certainties in life – Death and Taxes !  hehe !  I personally dont think that stamp duty is moral – ( Especially in Victoria )

    my situation is that i signed the contract 2 weeks ago, and the form has been lodged with the state revenue office

    I am speaking to my bank manager tomorrow – hopefully, i may be able to get around it

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    is there any way you can legally change the date of the contract if you havent settled yet?  Also, does this grant apply for the settlement date, or the date you put down yr 10% deposit ?

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    man ! that sucks !  I signed a contract 2 weeks ago !

    Surely they could have back dated it to include contracts for this financial year !  This is biased against people who have bought first properties already !

    This ucks !

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    wian

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