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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic JDL Strategies in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 22:26:09 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with everything you had to say Colin.</p>
<p>It seems to me that mcord has listed all the reasons that he should be avoiding JDL above, but still seems to cling to the idea that he should support them!  To me that just spells out the dangers when spruikers target naive and inexperienced property investors. It is far too easy for them to&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-347544"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4400675-jdl-strategies/page/2/#post-5028896" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic JDL Strategies in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2014 04:36:21 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness me APOLO. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions don&#8217;t you. Thanks for your offer but I really don&#8217;t need your help or referral to your guru. I really made two points in my last post:</p>
<p>1) That you sound very much like a spruiker (or committed student of one) yourself as you parrot all the same lines they use.<br />
2) That you are hardly&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-298214"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4400675-jdl-strategies/page/2/#post-4994329" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic JDL Strategies in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2014 03:43:16 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL APOLO. You are either a spruiker yourself or one of those seminar junkies who has been trained to parrot all their their lines. </p>
<p>Your name wouldn&#8217;t happen to be Julio would it? Sorry to be so suspicious but who gives a company such a glowing testimonial having only seen the CEO of the company speak a few times at seminars? If you haven&#8217;t had&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-298210"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4400675-jdl-strategies/page/2/#post-4994325" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic JDL Strategies in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2014 00:11:42 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your post &#8216;still learning&#8217;. I fear that you may have placed far too much trust in these people.The recommendation to purchase 4 properties straight up, is a areal concern for me. It sounds like you are borrowing to your maximum capacity and that leaves no safety net. This is typical advice from many marketing companies who don&#8217;t really&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-298146"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4400675-jdl-strategies/page/2/#post-4994280" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic "THE INVESTORS CLUB" ANYONE HEARD OF THEM OR KNOW WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT? in the forum Help Needed!</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4389727-the-investors-club-anyone-heard-of-them-or-know-what-they-are-about/page/3/#post-4993649</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 02:30:52 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the complaints just keep rolling in. Kevin Young is obviously having problems with his spin doctoring now. Very few of his statements make a lot of sense and if you listen carefully to them, most of them are just plucked out of thin air. Never has Kevin Young been able to show one TIC member who has genuinely been able to retire using the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-297172"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4389727-the-investors-club-anyone-heard-of-them-or-know-what-they-are-about/page/3/#post-4993649" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Is THE INVESTORS CLUB for real? in the forum Heads Up!</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385645-is-the-investors-club-for-real/page/3/#post-4993645</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 01:23:19 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprising really I suppose. ABC have just done a story on this fake club. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-12/high-flying-investment-club-sued-by-couple-over-1m-in-loans/5665976" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-12/high-flying-investment-club-sued-by-couple-over-1m-in-loans/5665976</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s4065976.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s4065976.htm</a> </p>
<p>Where there is smoke there is fire and I think Kevin Young has a lot of spot fires to contend with lately&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-297167"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385645-is-the-investors-club-for-real/page/3/#post-4993645" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic JDL Strategies in the forum General Property</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4400675-jdl-strategies/#post-4992601</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2014 06:49:20 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes exactly &#8220;driventosucceed&#8221; Interesting how they are obviously avoiding answering my very legitimate and direct questions now! Don&#8217;t believe for a minute that they are not now monitoring the comments made about them on this site. </p>
<p>Come on Julio. By avoiding my questions you are beginning to look like just another silver toothed sales spiv who&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-295536"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4400675-jdl-strategies/#post-4992601" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic JDL Strategies in the forum General Property</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4400675-jdl-strategies/#post-4991915</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 05:17:25 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Property Pro,  it sounds very much to me that that you are somehow involved with, or speaking on behalf of JDL Strategies in your post. If I am correct about this I wonder why you have completely avoided <strong>my</strong> previous question? </p>
<p>Secondly to suggest that by searching for complaints against JDL on the internet and not being able to find them on&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-294340"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4400675-jdl-strategies/#post-4991915" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic JDL Strategies in the forum General Property</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4400675-jdl-strategies/#post-4991682</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:25:15 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An old thread I know but what I can&#8217;t figure out about JDL Strategies is this.</p>
<p>Are they being also being paid by the seller when they sell properties? I have listened to the video clip by Julio about their fee structure and he seems to suggest that they are paid by the buyer and are therefore a &#8216;buyers agent&#8217;. </p>
<p>Fair enough but do they also get&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-293896"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4400675-jdl-strategies/#post-4991682" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Mark Rolton - Massland Review in the forum Opinionated!</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4410739-mark-rolton-massland-review/#post-4699494</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:26:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t mean to be rude Mushirkhan but you posted a link to a site that gave you all the information you need, yet you seem to be still confused???. Just reading the postings on that link,&nbsp; I wouldn&#039;t go near this man personally, there is just too much bad wrap associated to him and what positive wraps he does get seems to be from people who have&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-20447"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4410739-mark-rolton-massland-review/#post-4699494" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Feedback on Property Secrets with Paul Giezekamp in the forum Value Adding</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406132-feedback-on-property-secrets-with-paul-giezekamp/#post-4665873</link>
				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2013 00:53:52 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice if you believe you have been conned by this man is to make a formal complaint with the NSW Office of Fair Trading. It can be done online, just visit their website. if you don;t make a complaint they will say no-one told them.</p>
<p>I know that the OFT have received complaints about this company in the past that they have ignored and bluffed&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-93382"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406132-feedback-on-property-secrets-with-paul-giezekamp/#post-4665873" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Feedback on Property Secrets with Paul Giezekamp in the forum Value Adding</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406132-feedback-on-property-secrets-with-paul-giezekamp/#post-4665871</link>
				<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2013 09:35:37 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I&#039;m sure Property Secrets would love to identify their critics. lol&nbsp; &#039;Give us a call so we can identify who you are and we can then arrange for our lawyers to send you a threatening letter! &#039;</p>
<p>Paul Giezekamp and his company are disgraceful and driven by greed. For those that are interested, Today Tonight ran a story about them 04/10/13. It&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-93380"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406132-feedback-on-property-secrets-with-paul-giezekamp/#post-4665871" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Rick Otton in the forum Heads Up!</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406658-rick-otton-3/#post-4670468</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:17:05 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest readers check out this latest action taken against Rick Otton in WA for misleading and deceptive practices. It&#039;s time the other states followed suit in my view.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/consumerprotection/PDF/EnforceableUndertaki/RickOttonWeBuyHouses.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/consumerprotection/PDF/EnforceableUndertaki/RickOttonWeBuyHouses.pdf</a></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Destiny in the forum General Property</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/destiny/#post-4642925</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:16:30 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An old post now I know, but I was searching for something else and came across it. I would have to say that I would use Destiny Services (Margaret Lomas) long before I would use many other of these property marketing / spruiking companies. The thing that sets them apart for me is that they are not taking a commissions from the developers like many&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-1424"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/destiny/#post-4642925" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Anyone knows or member of "Cashflow Capital Pty Ltd"? in the forum Help Needed!</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4389238-anyone-knows-or-member-of-cashflow-capital-pty-ltd/#post-4566004</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 07:18:01 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t see how this is legal</p>
<p>It appears from a quick look at the Cashflow Capital website that they are operating as buyer&#039;s agents and selling agents in the same transaction. If nothing else it is a huge conflict of interest and I wouldn&#039;t&nbsp; feel at all comfortable dealing with any company who takes a fee from both sides.</p>
<p>I think this is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-18952"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4389238-anyone-knows-or-member-of-cashflow-capital-pty-ltd/#post-4566004" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Is THE INVESTORS CLUB for real? in the forum Heads Up!</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385645-is-the-investors-club-for-real/page/3/#post-4548099</link>
				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jun 2013 02:09:18 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>This is a very interesting thread I found which relates to this topic.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Is THE INVESTORS CLUB for real? in the forum Heads Up!</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:19:25 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Terry, re your last comment about the trial. I discovered that what happened was Kevin Young was pushed to the court room steps and then wanted to settle out of court with all the usual confidentiality deeds attached so no-one can speak publicly about what really happened. He also insisted that the victims make a ridiculous public statement to&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-63304"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385645-is-the-investors-club-for-real/page/3/#post-4548098" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Is THE INVESTORS CLUB for real? in the forum Heads Up!</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:51:03 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is now a very old post about The Investors Club, but it one of the first that comes up these days under a google search for anyone attempting to research or do their due diligence on this company and it&#039;s founder Kevin Young. For that reason I thought I would add a new post to it.</p>
<p>This story appeared on ABC TV very recently and I&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-63303"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385645-is-the-investors-club-for-real/page/3/#post-4548097" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Wealth Acceleration Group - any experience? in the forum Help Needed!</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4392812-wealth-acceleration-group-any-experience/page/2/#post-4585397</link>
				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go back to the beginning of this thread and read it right the way through it is a classic. Well done Richard Taylor I say, who immediately identified what was going on with this thread long before the truth was ever exposed. Egg on your face to the builder though!&nbsp;</p>
<p>Some of the early comments are perfect examples of how so many people&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-162417"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4392812-wealth-acceleration-group-any-experience/page/2/#post-4585397" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic WARNING: Dual Living/ Granny Flat unapproved Duplexes- Brisbane City Council Enforcement Notices in the forum General Property</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/warning-dual-living-granny-flat-unapproved-duplexes-brisbane-city-council-enforcement-notices/#post-4684405</link>
				<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:07:29 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I agree with this assessment completely and I think it is a great thing that Darryl is drawing public attention to this. It will no doubt affect many &#039;investment&#039; buyers who were misled into purchasing these properties by marketing companies on the basis that they could be dual tenanted.</p>
<p>I am aware that The Investors Club is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-1121"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/warning-dual-living-granny-flat-unapproved-duplexes-brisbane-city-council-enforcement-notices/#post-4684405" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Seminar - Mark Rolton in the forum Creative Investing</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4392726-seminar-mark-rolton/page/13/#post-4584957</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 07:49:56 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As some have said previously, far too many of these seminar gurus are fakes, making loads of money from the unsuspecting who attend their seminars and sign up for their expensive courses.  I notice that Mark Rolton is running another round of his seminars &lt;moderator: delete personal comment&gt;.  I have investigated the claims made by a number of g&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-16619"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4392726-seminar-mark-rolton/page/13/#post-4584957" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic House and Land packages in the forum Help Needed!</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 22:31:17 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion on house and land packages offered by developers and Property Marketing Comanies (PMC)  is that I don&#039;t believe that they always offer the benefits promised and that there are better ways you can search for a good performing property yourself. Here&#039;s some hints.Overall these properties are being sold by PMC who, as others have pointed&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-46033"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4405251-house-and-land-packages-4/#post-4659295" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic Is THE INVESTORS CLUB for real? in the forum Heads Up!</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:14:09 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As  have mentioned on other threads about TIC please be very careful as this article explains. <a href="http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/residential/after-mediation-fails-investors-club-dispute-headed-for-court/2011122052917 " rel="nofollow">http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/residential/after-mediation-fails-investors-club-dispute-headed-for-court/2011122052917 </a> I just can&#039;t understand how  this could have happened judging by the figures quoted. I think that if the truth ever comes out ab&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-63301"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385645-is-the-investors-club-for-real/page/3/#post-4548095" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic "THE INVESTORS CLUB" ANYONE HEARD OF THEM OR KNOW WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT? in the forum Help Needed!</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:23:12 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone considering doing business with TIC you may want to read and follow this story which has yet to be resolved. <a href="http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/residential/after-mediation-fails-investors-club-dispute-headed-for-court/2011122052917" rel="nofollow">http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/residential/after-mediation-fails-investors-club-dispute-headed-for-court/2011122052917</a> You be the judge! I think this is appalling judging by the figures quoted! How could this happen?  </p>
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				<title>The Fox replied to the topic I want real info, not just a glossy picture in the forum Opinionated!</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 04:31:11 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please be careful if you are contemplating dealing with The Investors Club and Kevin Young a.k.a. Kevin Sampy.  I see others have posted warnings also.    The following news article explains just one disaster known as the &#039;Kirribilli Heights&#039; development that no fewer than 12 TIC members were exposed to. htt&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-68138"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4405995-i-want-real-info-not-just-a-glossy-picture/#post-4664721" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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