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  • Profile photo of Zabeel01Zabeel01
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    Thanks heaps for all your replies Terry :)

    I don't think I have been very clear in my babblings :)  Currently I have a Partnership, because of our depreciating assets we currently pay zero tax and I want to keep that advantage.

    We also have come in contact with many people who have no conscience when it comes to ripping people off or pulling them down and therefore would also like to have the safest business structure possible to protect our assets.

    I was advised to set up a Company to trade with and a Trust with all the assets in it. With the Company trading as itself but as trustee for the trust also.  I was told if someone Sues us we would be the sole directors of a company that owns nothing & they can’t sue the Trust because we are beneficiaries only, and beneficiaries cant be sued…

    From your previous advice I have gathered it would be better to only have one Director, and also not to have the company as a trustee for the trust or this puts the assets at risk in the trust?  Did I understand that correctly??

    And also that I can't use the depreciating assets in the trust to offset the income from the trading company.  Is this correct?

    I was just wondering what would then be the best thing to set up for us to protect our assets while still taking advantage of the depreciating assets to offset our business income??

    Thankyou very much :)

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    Yes, don't have a trading company as trustee.

    You could have two trusts with separate trustees. One trust could own the assets and one trade. This is what they call a service trust and it is a way to divert profit from teh trading trust which is higher risk of being used. The trading trust would pay the service trust a fee for the use of the assets and this would be a deduction to the trading trust. This would divert income to the second trust, the service trust which would then use it to offset the deductions from depreciation.

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    Profile photo of Zabeel01Zabeel01
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    Thankyou very much…someone else also suggested this, would you agree???  Which structure do you think would best suit our needs,  or be best… Trade out of a trust – get all depreciation, tax breaks etc.. – all assets are in the trust

    Have an empty shelf company as trustee of the trust – which does not trade

    If you get sued they will go after the empty shelf company first – find out its empty and stop there.

    Since we are the beneficiaries of the trust, we cannot get sued, and trust is a separate entity to us both, and almost impossible to sue…

    Your advice is very helpful…

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    Beneficiaries get sued all the time. But if the trustee gets sued then it won't affect the beneficiaries.

    I think you need to seek some legal and tax advice about your particular set up as there are many other issues to address.

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