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    G’day,
    Just after advice/words of wisdome… I want to know how people buy their 20 homes in so many months! Surely they cannot save enough money to have cash deposits for each one and using equity in existing properties will only go so far – particularly if the market is slow…. ? So how do they get the finance to buy all of these places – do they go through morguage brokers who come out to you (just for example Aussie Lenders) ? Or just approach banks etc ?
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    To answer your question would take a mini book by a financial adviser. However as everyones circumstances are different there is no clear cut answer to your question.

    Some have established equity over years, others may buy lots of cheap regional properties etc. Using a Mortgage Broker will help you to set up the correct loan structure from the start to optimise your lending capacity.

    Starting small and not getting too ahead of yourself may be the best way unless you are already a seasoned investor

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    They generally earn a lot and buy cheap properties, thats how.

    There are ways to extend your borrowing capacity, but you have to plan from the beginning. You will also need deposits or high growth, or a combination.

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    Originally posted by Terryw:

    They generally earn a lot and buy cheap properties, thats how.

    There are ways to extend your borrowing capacity, but you have to plan from the beginning. You will also need deposits or high growth, or a combination.

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    Also, if you look back, nearly all of those people did their buying during a boom, and in an area where the rent return was quite high and the purchase price was low to begin with.

    I would doubt that anyone is buying 20 properties in as many months now without putting in lots of cash for deposits instead of equity. Happy to be proved wrong of course.

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    would someone be able to explain how these equity parts would be linked between the loans? or like would they have morgages on it???

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    Dave

    To avoid having the loans X collaralised you would normally set up a LOC to drawn down deposits and acquisition costs and then structure the IP loans as stand alone deals.

    Many lenders will now lend 95-100% on an IP anyway which means you only need to come up with the acquisition and loan costs.

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    you would normally set up a LOC to drawn down deposits and acquisition costs

    sorry what does loc stand for? and what do you mean by draw down from this?

    thanks richard

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    HI there
    LOC stands for line of credit which a lot of investors use. They draw down the required amount to pay stamp duty or other costs of purchase

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    thanks for that…
    so how would a LOC be set up… ie would it use built up equity from other propertys or is similar to a personal loan where there is nothing attached to it?

    so basically if 95% is a loan, and stamp duty and other costs are put into a LOC, basically all you need is your deposit (but if u had a large enough LOC you could take it from there as well couldnt you???)

    what would an average interest rate for a LOC be, im guessing higher than a mortgage but lower than a personal loan but i figure could be great…

    cheers, your help is brillent

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    Dave

    A LOC will need to be secured against a property however the interest rate will vary but often around the same as a standard term loan.

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    Originally posted by DaveA:

    thanks for that…
    so how would a LOC be set up… ie would it use built up equity from other propertys or is similar to a personal loan where there is nothing attached to it?

    so basically if 95% is a loan, and stamp duty and other costs are put into a LOC, basically all you need is your deposit (but if u had a large enough LOC you could take it from there as well couldnt you???)

    what would an average interest rate for a LOC be, im guessing higher than a mortgage but lower than a personal loan but i figure could be great…

    cheers, your help is brillent

    Dave, you would need equity in an existing property. eg you have a $1,000,000 property with a loan of $500,000. You take it up to 80% LVR by taking out a LOC of $300,000.

    You then use this LOC for deposits and all IP costs. Pay only the interest on the LOC, don’t put any extra money in here, but put the spare cash you have (wage, rents etc) into a 100% offset account against your home loan portion- The $500,000 loan in this eg.

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    i thought it could be similar to something like that…

    would it be an additional mortgage or charge against the property to provide the LOC, and im sorta guessing its done so you dont have to keep refinancing your loans to get more money? Also with IP would you fine you would very rarely re finance your property completly? i know its a 7 year average for all loans, but if you used LOC would it be longer as you would on re finance if the lender was un compedative with the market place??

    could you have more than one property secured against the LOC, or would you just have 2 LOC in this circumstance? Also say you borrow 95% on your property, would you have to wait for the capital value to rise to a LVR ratio of below 80% before you could use a LOC?

    Cheers Guys

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    A LOC can be taken to 90 – 95% LVR of the property value and would sit behind your other mortgage if you have one.

    Your LOC can be used to used to fund several properties subject to the avaialble equity you have in the LOC.

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    LOC’s are like split loans and each loan is secured against the mortgage property and are all added together to work out the LVR maximum amount allowed by the bank for the whole combined borrowings versus the actual value of the property secured .
    Some banks charge a fee for each LOC you set up and charge it to the LOC account plus interest.
    The other problem you would face is what the bank actually markets the LOC as. Each bank will call it a different product name.
    For example St George call it a portfolio loan.
    Another thing to be wary of is LMI (Loan mortgage insurance) and how it will apply if the LVR increases > 80%. What amount is the LMI charged on ?
    It won’t be on the LOC amount but more likely the whole borrowed amount.
    You could be charged an establishment fee for the LOC also.

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    Originally posted by Qlds007:

    Your LOC can be used to used to fund several properties subject to the avaialble equity you have in the LOC.

    Would this not make claiming interest on the various IP’s difficult if they are funded from one LOC? Although I guess it doesn’t matter as long as the LOC doesn’t fund anything personal or connected to your PPoR.(?)

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    David

    Not really. You would be paying IO on the LOC so you could easily apportion the interest between different properties. eg. if you take $20,000 5 times for 5 different properties then each is attributed 20% of the interest at tax time.

    In the end if you don’t mix personal stuff in there you will be able to claim the lot, so getting it wrong between the properties will make no overall difference.

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