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  • Profile photo of Robbie BRobbie B
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    I have never understood why people stick with loans when they have been made aware that their interest rate is too high or their ongoing fees and charges are ridiculous.

    There are very few cases where loans involving standard security should cost more than about 6.47% per annum. Even low docs should not be paying more than about 6.51%.

    Is it a pride thing that they don’t want to admit they were ripped off or made a poor decision regarding their finances?

    Is it laziness not being bothered to make the effort to change the loan(s) over?

    I would like to hear some feedback about why people pay more than they should on items that cost them so much money…

    Thanks in advance.

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    Profile photo of Stuart WemyssStuart Wemyss
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    It is the perceived hassle and fear of things going wrong. Almost – better the devil you know.

    There have been heaps of studies about this. They all confirm that the majority of people are not happy with their provider but they just won’t change. People are very sticky to their banks. There’s is nothing you can do about it really.

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    Stu

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    Hi all.
    I’m guessing that break costs in an existing loan may stop people refinancing as well.

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    I never implied it was Terry but the cheaper loans today with all the bells and whistles provide as much, if not more, flexibility than a lot of the more expensive products I have seen of late.

    Thanks for your comments Stuart. Do you have a link to any of the studies. I am intrigued by it.

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    Originally posted by The Mortgage Adviser:

    I would like to hear some feedback about why people pay more than they should on items that cost them so much money…

    Hi Rob,

    Speaking from personal experience the reason why we didn’t change lenders was my own ignorance.

    Up until some time ago when my learned broker corrected me I was under the misunderstanding that if I refinanced I would also be up for ‘purchase’ stamp duty as well as mortgage stamp duty.

    Thankfully I did listen to my broker, changed banks, got a better product and have moved on significantly from that.

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    They are the sort of stories I like to hear Derek. I am glad you have obtained a better deal!

    Some people also think they will be up for Mortgage Stamp Duty. This only applies to any up-stamped (increased) amount.

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    Some States have abolished mortgage stamp duty, Victoria July 2004 for instance, while others have concessions in place, 1st Home buyers/owner occupied etc.

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    Hi Rob,

    The other comment I would make is that some customers seem to have a ‘loyalty’ to a bank on the mistaken belief the loyalty will always be reflected in the deals the bank will do for you.

    Obviously this is not the case for so many bank customers.

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    That’s right. They will only give great deals for high net-worth clients or great payers. They may also do these to attract new money. Pretty much, deals are the same for anyone.

    Robert Bou-Hamdan
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    Profile photo of Stuart WemyssStuart Wemyss
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    Here is an article that was in the AFR a couple of months ago.

    http://www.prosolution.com.au/articles/banks.jpg

    Cheers

    Stu

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    Great article Stuart. Thanks for the link.

    I don’t think the cost is a problem here as the few hundred it usually costs (unless breaking a fixed loan) is usually made up in the first year of benefits to the client. I think the biggest concern is the hassle of changing all the direct debits etc…

    It is an interesting problem and I might look further into it.

    Thanks.

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    My guess would be ignorance. I read somewhere that a large proportion of the population could not even tell you what interest rate they were paying. So how would they know if they had a good deal or not?

    I have to admit that I fell into that category until a few months back. We strugled to get our low doc loan last year, because we were new immigrants, and ended up taking the only loan we were offered. We knew it was a lousy deal, but the only one available at the time. The mortgage has hefty break costs, which had put us off re-financing. But now I have begun my financial education, I can see better ways of doing things, and the first thing is to re-finance.

    So my excuse was ignorance, but I think there are many, many people out there just like I was!

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    Sorry, I have just re-read your initial post, and you say why do they stick with it AFTER they have been made aware it’s a lousy deal. Not so sure about that – Laziness??

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    You are right about one thing… nearly every client I see has no idea what their current interest rate is. I would take a close look at any loan that is more than 18 months old and you will probably find yourself refinancing immediately.

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    I beg to differ: I was fortunate enough to take out a loan around June 2003 fixed at 5.74% for 5 years, and wish I had refinanced all my other loans then. Why didn’t I? Complacency, not bothering to check what my old interest rates were, compared to the new rates and the fear of the high cost of refinancing fixed loans, fueling my complacency. Not that I ever bothered to check how much EXACTLY it would cost to refinance. That “economic cost” clause is intimidating, until you ask for the dollar value!

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    My only reason for not changing is break costs.

    I have one loan in the fine print that charges 8months interest for refinancing and 3months if I sell.

    I think it is pure corruption.

    I do have a good one to refinance if you are keen to go with that? hahaha, PM me

    Byronent
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    Dear Rob,

    I agree with your statement that a lot of people stick with old deals even though they are loosing money. I think it is because they are ignorant or they are scared of new things. We changed our loan recently and have a good interest rate and good service as well,the bank branch is close to us which was wery important for us because we needed to withdraw larger sum of money ‘then and there’.Flexibility is very important when I make decisions about my financial institutions as well as professionalism and staff knowledge.

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    Fixed rates are a little different.

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    I am currently in a loan that charges 8.45% interest. It is a total rip-off, and the sooner I can sell and get out of it the better. There are a few of reasons I have not refinanced:

    1. I found a couple of deals with good fixed and variable terms, but the valuers the finance companies used (in my opinion) undervalued the property and won’t shift on it. I would be forced to pay around $3,000 mortgage insurance up front.

    2. To exit the current loan, I have to pay 1.5% exit fee in this first 12 months. It will be bad enough to have to pay 1.25% when I finally do sell.

    3. I am now planning to sell in a few months anyway, and the costs of refinancing are not worth it if I am just selling soon anyway, with extra early exit fees etc.

    The reason I took this loan in the first place was to get into the market with no deposit. I got 100% finance, and used my FHOG plus a Defence Force grant to cover my costs. It got me a foot in the door to the market, and if the realestate agents who’ve valued the place are right, I should be able to sell and come out after costs with anything between $15k and $30k. Those funds will then go into purchasing some +CF IPs.

    One thing that really irks me about this loan is that the exit fee is for the full amount borrowed, not for the amount left owing. This doesn’t allow me to use a strategy whereby I get an unsecured personal loan as big as I can, and put it on the mortgage the day before I pay out, so as to pay exit fees on the then lesser amount owing.

    Looking back now, I really think I could have done better through a different broker. The whole process of getting the finance approved was a total nightmare, and caused me months of angst and heartache. Being my first property purchase, it was definitely a steep learning curve, and there is no way now that I would ever put up with the sh!t that I did with this lender ever again, from anyone, for any reason.

    And that’s really what it’s all about, isn’t it? Making mistakes and learning from them. Hopefully, though, next time, I will be a little less niaive and do a bit more research.

    Kez :)

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