Good examples Mini. Samll baby steps is all it takes to start with.
And I absolutely agree with you about racism existing everywhere and that it much worse in other countries than Australia. On the other side of the coin there are most probably a lot of countries much more tolerant than Australia.
Regards,
TimOriginally posted by agile:On the other side of the coin there are most probably a lot of countries much more tolerant than Australia.
pfffffft “Probably” …a few examples of countries more tolerant and as mutlticultural as Australia would be nice to see Agile.
“Never argue with an idiot, as they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience”
Hi all,
I have spent about 15 years of my short live in Europe and I can tell you that there is plenty of racism every-where! So in an age of ‘Political Correctnes’ lets be a prick to every-one! and don’t just pick and choose as you see fit.I believe in the Bible and will do my bit. What you do is your choice, just don’t be surprised by others response.
TTFNCheers
C@34
Superted:
I am not well travelled but one comparable example (as Mini mentioned) could be NZ. I do not know for sure as I have only ever briefly visited this country.
On the surface it seems that the population in NZ is more integrated than in Australia and that the country has gone ahead and dealt with land rights issues in a fair and mature way.
More power to them.
Regards,
Tim.No matter what I say, what I believe, and what I do, I’m bankrupt without love. (1 Corinthians 13:3b – The Message)
Originally posted by agile:Superted:
I am not well travelled but one comparable example (as Mini mentioned) could be NZ. I do not know for sure as I have only ever briefly visited this country.
LoL ……youre arguments are based around “could be”…”do not know for sure” that NZ (minis example, none the less)(and a large multicultural superpower to boot
backs up your original quote of “On the other side of the coin there are most probably a lot of countries much more tolerant than Australia.
“.
On the surface it seems that the population in NZ is more integrated in Australia and that the country has gone ahead and dealt with land rights issues in a fair and mature way.More power to them.
Regards,
Tim...Now we side track to landrights as an argument that Australia is less tolerant and more racist then then your example New Zealand, oops I meant Mini’s example. That is your point Tim, isnt it?
There isnt a country in the world as multicultural and diverse (NZ stats arent as mutlicultural as Australias) that is as tolerant and unracist as Australia.
‘would be”, “could be” sweeping statements definately dont cut it when you are trying to trash talk the best multicultural and most tolerant country in the world.
“Never argue with an idiot, as they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience”
Superted:
This will be my last response to you on this particular topic.
I find it sad that you cannot accept (note i did not say agree) with differing arguments from your own.
Another reason I do not wish to discuss this further with you is that I find that you continually make this into a personal attack. For example when have I ever trash talked Australia?
I love this country and its people and it is for that reason that I speak up on issues that I think affect our way of life in Australia. I would not live long term anywhere else in the world.
Would you rather I said nothing because my view is different from yours. This to me goes against the Australian ideal of ‘the fair go’ and that everyone has a right to be respectfully heard.
Having said that I wish you well and hope that if we ever correspond in future it is in a more amicable way.
Regards,
TimNo matter what I say, what I believe, and what I do, I’m bankrupt without love. (1 Corinthians 13:3b – The Message)
Especially for Superted, a nice little article about multiculturalism and tolerance:
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11350409%255E421,00.html
Enjoy
Agile,
My posts arent attempting to be a personal attack. They are for you to back up your fluffy broad statements, which i feel denegrate Australia. And i have no problem if your views are different to mine, but id love to see examples to back up your broad statments.
If you dont see your statements without examples as trash talking Australia…..then we can agree to disagree on that
When you do actually find that country/s that are as multicultural and as tolerant as Australia (THAT IS MY POINT).
..Id love to go and see itWe dont have a differing opinion in the area that racism exists here (and it does everywhere) so there is no reason to “feel sad” that we dont agree on points.
WayneL youve missed the point. Racism articles in papers exist in many countries, thats not my point with agile. It is good that a country like ours can put these artilces in the paper so that racsim can be stamped out.
“Never argue with an idiot, as they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience”
Hi SuperTed,
I agree that really you can read all the articles, books, listen to the new reports, documentaries, but to fully appreciate the level of tolerance for racism in this, or any country, you need to experience it first hand.
Anything short of that, is (a) pure speculation, and at best (b) blind ignorance!!!
We live in a great country, and should be proud to be here, especially when you see what things are like beyond our waters!!!
Cheers,
Jo
Originally posted by SuperTed:WayneL youve missed the point.
I seem to do that a lot
it is irrelevant which country is MORE racsist than others. any racism is bad. The idea that you can be MORE or LESS rascist is stupid. any rascism is bad and the kkk debacle should be a wake up call for all australians that there is underlying rascism in our country. we should be worried as should other countries when this type of thing happens rather than saying ‘we arent the worst!!!’
I’m a bitsa myself – bit of this bit of that, my brother had a poem …
My brother lay over the ocean
my sister lay over the sea
my father laid over my mother
and thats how i came to beHope that is not toooo rude sorry, opps[whistle]
Hi
My point of viewI have been in Australia for nearly 3 years. I did my uni here and at the moment working full time. So far I have been here I have never come across any sort of racism here in Australia against me. IN fact The country where I come from has more racism and people discriminate if you are from a different state in the same country. People from south do not like people from north and everyone thinks the other person has a bad attitude. Every state has its own religion, language, and culture.
Compared to that Aus has a very tolerant society. I am having a good time here and looking forward to meet more people no matter what colour , caste , creed etc etc you are.
Felicity
“We had a fabulous time, and at one point I actually sat there and felt proud to be Australian. Nobody had even thought twice about the diversity of backgrounds, we had a common interest and that was all that mattered.â€
Yes you have every reason to be proud and as u say common interest is all that matters.
Go aussies Go [drummer][specool][thumbsupanim]
Originally posted by aussierogue:it is irrelevant which country is MORE racist than others. any racism is bad. The idea that you can be MORE or LESS racist is stupid. any racism is bad and the kkk debacle should be a wake up call for all Australians that there is underlying racism in our country. we should be worried as should other countries when this type of thing happens rather than saying ‘we aren’t the worst!!!’
Strange idea. Crime is bad for example … and I rather live where there is little crime then where there is a lot.
The ICERD (International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination) defines racism as follows:
“Any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment, or exercise, on equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural, or any other field of public life.â€If the above is a valid definition, we don’t have racism in Australia. In fact if anything we have reverse racism in our legislation. There are councils who forbid displaying Christmas decorations or anything to do with Christmas to avoid “offending” a group of Muslims. Some welfare benefits are exclusive to indigenous people, and some particular jobs are only available to that group. I cannot apply.
The following definition seems to be a more practical one and may encompass the personal dislike some have towards a group of people defined by their genetic make up:
“Racism is prejudice or discrimination based on the belief that race is the primary factor determining human traits and abilities. Racism includes the belief that genetic or inherited differences produce the inherent superiority or inferiority of one race over another. In the name of protecting their race from “contamination,” some racists justify the domination and destruction of races they consider to be either superior or inferior. Institutional racism is racial prejudice supported by institutional power and authority used to the advantage of one race over others.”
Yet racism is a term that is no longer as valid as it was 50 or more years ago. The divisions that are alive today are due to cultural differences, class differences religious differences, place of birth or citizenship differences.
And it is here that we hit the wall. The anti-racism say “we are all equal”, yet when we have and should always have the same rights, we are by no means equal. We are substantially different all of us, I am different from you, that is for sure.
It is this inability to recognise our differences and live with them that produces conflict and by negating our more than obvious differences we will never achieve harmony.
As a last thought and just to prove how different we all really are, all this talk about equality and rights that we consider advanced and unifying, is seen by other cultures as a sign of weakness and a signal that it is time to move the demands once more, a bit further.
In Japan to acquire citizenship you must live in Japan for 3 generations. Then pass a detailed scrutiny and a test to see if you have really become a Japanese. An inspector will come to your house and see what kind of foods you cook, what furniture you use, what cloths. Any smell of foreign food or customs will mean rejection to your application.
Is that racist?
Depends how you look at it. Certainly fulfills a purpose to preserve Japan as Japanese. Wrong?
Perhaps for the applicants ….May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcMarc
“In Japan to acquire citizenship you must live in Japan for 3 generations. Then pass a detailed scrutiny and a test to see if you have really become a Japanese. An inspector will come to your house and see what kind of foods you cook, what furniture you use, what cloths. Any smell of foreign food or customs will mean rejection to your application.â€
[laugh4] [laugh4]
Thank god they don’t have that here. I swear I am very bad at cooking any food leave alone Aussie food
[]Originally posted by kay-wit:I swear I am very bad at cooking any food leave alone Aussie food
[]Just burn a few snags on the barbie and wash it down with a cold VB and you’re done.
cheers
rJust burn a few snags on the barbie and wash it down with a cold VB and you’re done.
cheers
rwill try that if someone checks in on me [cowboy][whistle]
In most western nations it is legal to disriminate against one particular group – caucasian males. There are laws, precedents, and programs that target particular ethnic groups and women, but no programs for a white aussie.
Isn’t this reverse reacism where a white gut can’t get a job because he’s white and discrimination because he is male?
qte from marc
As a last thought and just to prove how different we all really are, all this talk about equality and rights that we consider advanced and unifying, is seen by other cultures as a sign of weakness and a signal that it is time to move the demands once more, a bit further.
In Japan to acquire citizenship you must live in Japan for 3 generations. Then pass a detailed scrutiny and a test to see if you have really become a Japanese. An inspector will come to your house and see what kind of foods you cook, what furniture you use, what cloths. Any smell of foreign food or customs will mean rejection to your application.
Is that racist?
Depends how you look at it. Certainly fulfills a purpose to preserve Japan as Japanese. Wrong?
Perhaps for the applicants ….unqte
Japan is a bad example – they have many many social problems. and why try so hard to presevre a culture anyway. arent things meant to grow, develop, diversify..
sign of weekness eh! – in the last ten years the japanese have realised how weak they are …..which is just as weak as everyone else…
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sure id prefer to live in a country where there is less crime or rascism than the other. it doesnt make any crime or any rascism acceptable.
Rascism is evrywhere. i am rascist sometimes also. i have a thing about chinese drivers. sure it said in gest but the truth is its prejudicial…so i try and stop myself.
we all have rascist ideas/thoughts occassionally and its mnostly hidden. another example – we see 10 people get shot in the usa in some kind of tradgedy and its all over the papers for 2 weeks. then we see 100,000 people starving in somalia yet we change the channel because we might miss an episode of friends.
plus the somalia problem is on page 26 of the paper and the 10 people being shot is page 1,2 and 3…
subconsciously we think these people lives are worth less than western lives…
i do it too – the problem is most people dont give this apparent indifference a second thought. its not until you sit down and think about you realise that somalia should be on page 1 and the new york massacre on page 26.
what if there were starvatuion in the USA – with thousands dying of hunger – page 26 – i dont think so!!!!
dont ignore rascism – and dont think we are immune….
any rascism is bad!
Hi Aussie, the paragraph about human rights being a sign of weakness does not refer to Japan but good old Australia where some meedle eastern people will consider concession, politness, obeying road rules, trust or welfare payments to name a few, a sign of weakness to be taken advantage off.
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
Marc
backs up your original quote of “On the other side of the coin there are most probably a lot of countries much more tolerant than Australia.
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