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    Originally posted by Sledge:

    Hi all from a newbie.

    Just wanted to get your opinion on investing in Thailand.

    I have heard a few good things and I am particularly interested in this company.

    http://www.?????.com

    They say they promise an 8% return GUARANTEED.

    You buy a villa or appartment in their complex and you use it for 30 days per year for holidays and the rest of the time they rent it out for you. You can choose 8% guaranteed or 40% of the rental revenue which ever you thing will be greater.

    Any thoughts?

    Initial thought

    What’s your position in the company ..

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    Originally posted by foundation:

    Phew… I give up.

    Have a beer foundation.[chill]

    I don’t think foundation is saying that the property is overvalued in terms of it’s value in realation to the property market at the current stage.

    He is saying ( I think ) that the whole property market is overvalued at the moment in relation to various underlying fundamentals and the whole market may be in for a down turn.

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    Originally posted by foundation:

    Originally posted by SeeChange:
    We have had a longer boom time this time, but , the flat down period before this boom was longer than normal , so one could argue that the long boom was a result of the long flat period before hand.

    Of course it was actually a very short period in terms of inflation growth…
    Between 1977 & 1983 (a period of declining real house prices in Melbourne) consumer price inflation was up 100%.
    Between 1990 & 1998 – up 21%.

    Cheers, F.[cowboy2]

    Good point foundation

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    Originally posted by dmichie:

    If you look at previous housing cycles in Australia a boom is followed by an extended period (5 years or longer) of flat or slowly declining prices. This is what happened after the housing booms in the early 80s and late 80s, and there is no reason to think that things will be different this time. Indeed, the “flat to down” period my be longer this time because the boom was longer.

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    We have had a longer boom time this time, but , the flat down period before this boom was longer than normal , so one could argue that the long boom was a result of the long flat period before hand.

    As to how long the flat or ( dare I say it ) down period will be I don’t think it really matters unless you’re planning on living off equity ….

    I’ll be watching for when the cycle starts and then start buying then ( with the possible exception of a couple of bargain hunter style buys in Sydney ). I’ve done well enough by picking up on the last third of the current cycle , so with more equity and experience , I think I will do ok in the next one .

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    Personally I’d only consider it genuinely Cash flow positive if it’s 100 % finance , including all additional cost , stamp duty , solicitors fees etc.

    Though I’m sure many people will have a different opinion. [biggrin]

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    Actually the first book I read which was about financial matters was The Great Depression onf 1990 . I’m glad I didn’t do what was suggested at that stage. Maybe he should put out a second edition …..[blush2]

    http://econwpa.wustl.edu/eprints/get/papers/0502/0502021.abs

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    Originally posted by loanwolf:

    Well I hate to admit to being a simpleton, haha, but if I hadn’t read RK I wouldn’t have made 2 purchases and 2 sales of property. Hence I wouldn’t have discovered this site.

    Dazzling, I think you’re spot on, man. Due diligence is require for each individual IP. I think keeping basics in mind ie close to services, banks, shops, CBD etc is 1 of the best criteria particularly in a depression, I think??

    Who said ‘Theres no Santa?!'[biggrin][biggrin]

    I’m in the same boat. Hearing Robert Kiyosaki being interviewed on ABC radio , triggered me on the Wealth Creation pathway and Rich Dad , Poor dad certainly changed the way I look at things and it still does.

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    Originally posted by Postman:

    he is acknowleged as a ‘worlds best author’ (or words to that effect)???

    I have heard of him being called a best seller, that only means that he sells a lot of books.

    What do you have to do to sell lots of books? Tell people what they want to hear.

    Rich dad poor dad, was my introduction to the world of investing, however after haveing found out that “rich dad” is merely a fictional character I now don’t just believe everything he types, which i suppose is the way it should be.

    I’ve been to RK’s intro talk out of curiosity .

    He refer’s himself as a ” Best Selling Author ” and is the first to admitt he is no literary genius. He talked abut an interview where he was described by the interviewer as a ” Best Author ” , and says he was quick to point out this error to the interviewer.

    He may not be the most “educated ” person around in terms of formal education , but he is pretty cluey , and people much smarter than him advising him .

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    Originally posted by Terryw:

    Yes its true! You could also use your left shoe instead.

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    Finally , a reason to work out how to edit typo’s….. [blush2]
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    You can put down whatever deposit the Vendor is prepared to accept.

    The agents usually like a deposit that will cover their fees….

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    Originally posted by markpatrick:

    There is a good site http://www.investinginland.com which points this out as the way to go from a long time developer in the US, among other ideas. Get in and get out with a quick profit.

    Thanks for the link. I think this is the first time I’ve found a internet link to a guru that John Treed hasn’t panned…..

    http://www.johntreed.com/Abalosreview.html

    Not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing…

    [biggrin]

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    We’re doing a dual occ subdivision in Sydney’s North shore, however we did buy in 2001.

    So part of the profit has come from a good buy at the time ( about four weeks after 911) . A large part of the profit has come from the fact that we paid no premium for a large block , because the vendor didn’t think it was subdividable.

    In fact when I got to the place I looked around and asked the agent how big the land was., She said 3000m2. I said ” why the …. didn’t they have the land size in the add ” .. The agent said the Vendor had specifically said they didn’t want it advertised as they found the up keep to hard , and thought that people might be put off from seeing the place if they were concerned about the land size….

    As a result of this anyone else who might have been looking specifically at large blocks didn’t target it as some where to look at. :)

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    Originally posted by resiwealth:

    IMHO i focus in property what is the flavour of the month. I read sooooooooo many doom and gloom stories, and “the sky is falling” timid no hopers that it makes me sick.

    I bought a property in 1994 that every body told me i was an idiot and today i am rubbing it in their faces because of the profit i have made.

    The point in any market is to MAKE MONEY over time and not get rich over night. There is a group on this forum that only post stories relating to falling markets and doom and gloom.

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    Resi

    It really depends on your view point and time frame. One persons ” doom and gloomer” is another persons “Timing the Market ” and both time in the market and timing the market are valid approcahes.

    I tired of anyone who posts a link, article or post which in anway puts a negative spin on the market as being a Doom and Gloomer.

    Personally I want to hear all of the views I can , and then I’ll make up my own mind on what I’m going to do. The more info I hear the better.

    :)

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    this is the closest you’ll come to an overall summary

    http://www.htw.com.au/pages/info_centre/review/MR%20Jun%202005.pdf

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    Back to the original topic :)

    Not sure on the stats re this , but I have heard that most people do a better job picking properties as a PPOR than they do with IP’s , simply because they live in it .

    As a result PPOR’s appreciate better than IP’s.

    Obviously because everyone around here are brilliant investors and do a really good job on picking their IP’s ,that irrelevant [baaa]

    The tax free Capital gain has been a big one for us. We’ve made a lot of money over the last few years on our PPOR’s , but the last two have become part of our investment plans both having fallen victims to subdivisions and new houses.

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    Originally posted by The Mortgage Adviser:

    See, I think you mean while this is ‘always’ the case, risk can be minimised by spending a lot of money, hours, days, weeks, months, etc becoming skilled in this area.

    Hardly a viable solution for someone who inherited shares and no apparent previous experience dealing with them.

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    Rob , I agree that this is not appropriate in this situation .

    However I would disagree with your original statement , namely

    There is more risk associated with margin lending than there is benefit

    and also with your use of the word always.

    Part of the appropriate use of gearing ( and any trading ) involves use of risk management strategies such as position sizing relative to the overall portfolio size and stop losses. If these are done correctly , then I believe that there are people out there who can use gearing in a way where the benifit does out weigh the risk.

    I’m not saying I’m one of them , but I know people who I would fit into that catagory.

    I’m still trading with an ungeared portfolio and when I’m happy that what I’m doing works over a longer time frame , then I’ll consider gearing.

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    Originally posted by The Mortgage Adviser:

    Margin lending is considered a high risk strategy.

    There is more risk associated with margin lending than there is benefit.

    [purple]The Mortgage Adviser

    While this may be the case for most people , for people who put the time in to learn about shares , and can show they can consistently make money out of shares, then it is an option worth exploring.

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    Pretty intersting looking at the recent ” blowout ” in the ratio , to a level that is double the ratio at other times.

    Obviously a lot of that has to do with increased affordability with the low interest rates.

    It will be interesting to see what happens if rates go back to more “normal” historical levels.
    While the government ( and all the other relevant bodies ) seems to be doing a reasonable job of keeping rates low , I will be suprised if at some stage there aren’t higher rates , even if it doesn’t happen for a while.

    Certainly adds fuel to the case of no significant overall increase in Sydney Prices in the near future.

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    If at first you don’t succeed …

    What I said on the now deleted link ( I think ) was that you need to listen to him , just make sure you’re not smoking the stuff that Foundation seems to be smoking at the moment (Care of the Qantas baggage handlers)[buz2][buz2][cigar]

    There are lots of way to invest in property and you can read about most of them here , though they will receive different degrees of enthusiasm.

    The important thing is to really ” Know ” what your doing before you start doing it grasshopper.

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    Accidently posted my reply as new thread.

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forum/topic/17812.html

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