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    Thought I’d share a link that shows me combining my two hobbies: property investing and surfing.

    Within I detail my latest investment and provide a snapshot of the infrastructure to come at this neat little pocket on the QLD coast.

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    Spot on jp. Mindset is everything.

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    Last week our third investment property went unconditional, a massive achievement for us. After countless hours researching we found a cracker of a property. The house lies 1km from the ‘to be’ largest hospital precinct in the southern hemisphere and 1km from a patrolled beach. Another renovator which I’m jumping out of my skin to tackle, despite being completely over renovating after finishing the previous property!

    2014 has been the year of property education, further building an ‘A’ team and defining our strategy.

    Its also the year that I first stated in words ‘I will own a portfolio of 10 properties by the time I reach 40’.

    I’m currently 33. I reckon I just might be selling myself short :)

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    Freckle wrote:
     Maybe age has its benefits in some respects.I've been watching this thing for 20 years on and off.

    Age also brings with it cynicism and over-analysis. Seems like you have been chewing on this for so long its time to spit it out.

    Freckle wrote:
    We passed sustainable when we hit 3 billion.

    I disagree. Population size is not the deciding factor in terms of sustainability. The term sustainability was unknown to most when this figure was first reached.

    We don't all live on disconnected islands and your theory is not applicable. Sustainability is highly dependent on the practices of society and the demand on resources. Yes we are effectively raping and pillaging the Earth and this will continue for some time yet. Unfortunately change is dictated by consumerism and economics and not something that can be forced. Although oil based products are used abundantly in todays world, our future dependence will be dictated by technological advances in renewable technologies, rather than a depletion of non-renewable energy sources.

    Depletion of rare Earth metals is another story all together..

    freckle wrote:
    Then you weren't listening. Hubbard was predicting peak oil. IE when supply and demand would separate. Discovery rates aren't matching decline rates. Everyone already knows this but cling to the idea that technology and some new super field will be found. problem is there has been no significant new finds for decades now.

    Ohh I was listening..This stuff is written in the old science textbooks I still see lying around today. Its amazing to see that transition in common science based knowledge over the years. 

    freckle wrote:
    I thought you were smarter than this. This is pure fiction!!

    This is referenced from the 2013 textbooks written for the Australian curriculum. They state Coal >200 years. However, I take it with a grain of salt and it is really not possible to put an exact figure on it..My point being oil has a long way to go yet. And that is not assuming access to the vast resources that lie in countries where political or geographical constraints lie.

    freckle wrote:
     You need to stop reading marketing hype for investors.

    haha its not like I invested in them – the share price has gone south indicating a vote of no confidence. The fact test wells indicated higher grade shale means that there is yet another unknown deposit lying wait.

    Now on a side note I'm getting my valuation completed next week after 6 months of extensive self renovation on my PPOR. Very rewarding being able to sit back and admire the work done and money saved.. I've decided to get a little inventive for the next purchase… Hopefully I'll no longer have the 'dumb as chips muppet' stereotype laying over my head ;)

    The Sunshine Coast market is certainly moving.. If you wanted the big discounts you have missed the boat.

    I don't have time to keep up with you! Work is suffering 

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    Freckle wrote:
    Just to burst your bubble once again…

    Great article! I love this stuff. If anything it proves my point that you are jumping the gun.

    NASA Article wrote:
    "In both scenarios, Elite wealth monopolies mean that they are buffered from the most "detrimental effects of the environmental collapse until much later than the Commoners", allowing them to "continue 'business as usual' despite the impending catastrophe.

    We are far from  reaching the critical point of sustainability. If anything I believe our reliance on 'dirty' resources will diminish into the future. We are tracking to become more efficient in our practices,and more reliant on sustainable sources of energy. In terms of solar sustainability China is a world leader.. Yes, we are not there yet but change is being made.

    I remember being fed information whilst at school in the early 90's that oil would be depleted in 30 years… Now there's your furfy. Advances in technology, exploration and processing techniques have led to this number to be revised in excess of 100 years.. And then LNC comes along and finds the equivalent of Saudi Arabia in Shale Oil in South Oz.. Lets hope we never need to touch it.

    NASA Article wrote:
    However, the scientists point out that the worst-case scenarios are by no means inevitable, and suggest that appropriate policy and structural changes could avoid collapse, if not pave the way toward a more stable civilisation.

    Its not too late.. Are you chewing on raw kernels?

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    And the ship is still sailing.. You don't think they're gonna give in that easily do you? I can smell the butter burning

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    I see your point simple though the two variables are obviously heavily related to one another in the grand scheme of things.

    During the good times of accelerated CapEx the high wages and profitability margins are to be expected. Comparisons should be taken lightly as we move into the production phase – as far as the mining sector goes anyway. I have several Senior geologists in my family that know the feeling..

    Not sure if there has ever been a capital growth guarantee in real estate. It is important to know the risks, and yes, a lot of people venture into waters without knowledge of the currents.

    My opinion is that some of Freckles comments are heavily biased and do not give investors the full scope. There is no doubting he has a complex understanding of macro economics which is also needed to balance the hype. My feeling is the scales have been unnecessarily weighted in the opposing direction. 

    If everyone was to act on his comments, Australia would be lacking an arsenal needed to sustain economic growth into the proceeding years.

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    Freckle wrote:

    Well that's funny.. I must have a comprehension problem then. When leading investors on this board, some with multi million dollar portfolios, say they are paying down debt I must be be misinterpreting their intentions. Pray tell what the hell are they doing then when standard investing mantra is to use leveraged to the gills strategies to grow a portfolio based on the belief that home prices always go up 

    The few investors on this board who are deleveraging does not by any means represent 'just about every top tier investor'. For all you know they could be moving into the stage in their property investing career where their goal is to pay down debt, regardless of the economic climate. Your statements are becoming more and more dramatic with every post.

    Freckle wrote:

     Many like yourself look at these things in black and white for the most part.

    Once again another assumption. The simple fact that I am involved in these discussions says otherwise. Property in the current market can easily be purchased, and with the right strategy, have the LVR's brought down to your 'safe' levels.

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    Want to exit the market… better a day early then a year too late.

    Or 5-10 years early.. That popcorn may be a little stale by the time you get to enjoy it

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    Freckle wrote:

    If the newbies here get their head out of their guru training manuals for a minute and take a look around they'll find that just about every top tier property investor is deleveraging as fast as they can 

    This is a MAJOR assumption and simply not true.. Get outside and take a breath of fresh air.

    The other day you stated it could take 5-10 years, based on the lengths countries will go to cover up debt. 10 years is a long time to be sitting on the sidelines…

    Honestly, I wish more 'top tier' investors, including Steve, would speak up and give some alternative opinions.

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    Freckle wrote:

    I can't exclude myself from this group totally as I have been guilty of being the fool in earlier days and am not yet rid of the odd foolish impulse. 

    Nice to see some humility :)

    I am far from understanding the complexities of investing. I guess only experience, exposure and a bucket load of reading will change that.. However, I could sit on the sidelines, like the majority do, or join the 'fools' and place myself strategically in a position to get lucky. 

    It's usually ones greatest failures that drive people to succeed. Whatever happens I'm prepared.

    I'll keep you updated on the progress of the portfolio over the coming 12 months (is that your current financial collapse prediction?). Maybe that China thing will kick in by then and you can really get stuck into it.

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    Cheers for your comments Nigel. I tend to agree on Brisbane. It's a market that is plodding along nicely but gaining investment popularity very qiuckly. Nice to have an ally too!

    As for Freckles comments….

    My investment decisions have not been made lightly. I have spent the last few years soaking up information from all sources, both positive and negative. From extremist views to popularised media plugs.

    We bought on the Sunshine Coast at the bottom of a severely depressed market. Our last investment property was bought for $85,000 under its 2007 sale price. We are experiencing extremely high rental yields with demand outstripping supply. And most importantly the Sunshine Coast has an abundance of future economic drivers. And at the top of that list is the multi billion dollar health district at Kawana. A service that will not just disappear at the turn of another GFC.

    We have also extensively renovated our PPOR by ourselves. A massive challenge but in effect have lowered our LVR to even safer levels.

    I think what you missed is the fact that I believe there will be a downturn one day (ie CYCLES), and yes you will be right, but while your ranting on making it your life mission to convince people of the fact, I will be out their building my future.

    I know what it's like to live broke. Three years ago my only asset was the shirt on my back. While you have been carving out your internet dream over the past year I have made $140,000 by investing wisely.

    So by dumb as chips muppets – you mean people that invest in property?? Get over yourself.

    Economists are guys that know 100 ways to make love but don't know any women.

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    The guys a tosser.

    …Anyway, must log off, heading to Darling Harbour for a swanky Indian restaurant lunch* at Zaaffran. It’s what we do around here, y’know…

    .

    Glad you picked up on Pete's ironical sense of humour.. Just to clarify, he was talking about Dents' ability to stereotype the Australian culture and housing markets..

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    Freckle,

    I was initially quite annoyed with your passive aggressive comments asking me to back up my opinions. I have been regularly reading this forum for a year now, and love the content – including your extreme views on just about everything. I especially liked your claims of robots taking over the workforce, with the included picture of a burger flipper. Classic.

    I am passionate about property investing and therefore decided to join in the discussions to hear other peoples views about the property market I am invested in. I did not join to have my opinions, just opinions, discredited by claims of waffling.

    Not every statement needs to be backed up by statistical analysis and charts. Working in the science field I understand the need for measured data to provide support for an observed event or process. But in terms of data supporting this Chinese rollercoaster everyone is on, I'm not biting. The future is not observable and only time will tell. Plus the old trading line comes to mind 'What you least expect to happen is what will often eventuate'. 

    In particular, I am not 'buying' into the contraction of the Chinese economy and its effect on our property markets, because, put simply.

    I'm not interested in CYCLES. My strategy is BUY and HOLD and long term at that.

    We have fantastic serviceability, highly secure employment and most importantly


    MONEY naturally devalues over time.

    Work with the system not against it. 

    And after all that, if you still need your 'fix' of statistics, have a read of Pete Wargents' article responding to Harry Dent's claims in his latest public offering.

    Fantastic blogger, in my opinion :)

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    "All other capital cities are likely to do better than last year. The best performer in Australia is likely to be Brisbane and Queensland markets in general. Queensland’s diverse economy is beginning to move forward. Further, the reducing value of the Australia dollar will help the tourist industry in this market, which will in turn provide increasing job opportunities"

    John Edwards, February, 2014

    Shame our dollar continues to remain stubborn. Says a lot about the underlying strength of our economy despite the reduction in mining CapEx (which was always going to happen), loss of manufacturing jobs, shift in employment etc

    It seems there are a lot of positive signs for QLD markets over the next 5 years. I'm not buying into this Chinese economy contraction and its devastating effect on our own markets. It's just smoke and mirrors.

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    Thanks for your comments Freckle. I was wondering if you were going to throw in your two cents.

    I am well aware of your views on the worldwide economic climate. It is interesting though to note that the figure you have posted hardly strays away from a 20 year historical fluctuation in average employment growth/decline. Far from supporting your claims of 'changing rapidly'.

    It seems the employment trend is switching from an even full-time/ part-time spread to a decline in full-time and increase in part-time employment. 

    Tourism is is an industry heavily dominated by a short-term, migratory workforce on part-time employment conditions. Could this be evidence of a transitional shift and a growing demand for employment within this sector? Food for thought..

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    Update:

    The rental situation is as tight as it gets up here at the moment. The lack of new house construction over the past 5 years has lead to a severe shortage on the market. With over 10,000 new jobs created over the past year within the Sunshine Coast region the demand cannot keep up with supply. And it's only set to increase with construction making up for lost time. Tourism is back,the sun is out, and the people are coming. The perfect investor storm is about to happen! Minus the rain..

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    Thanks for your comment Richard.

    It's certainly interesting to see the same trends flowing into Brissy. There was a lot of talk of excess construction of inner city apartments in Brisbane, though it seems to be meeting demand nicely.

    I'm interested to know your thoughts on the future of the SE Qld property market. I regularly read your comments and forum members hold your financial advice in high regards. 

    I am in the process in financing the purchase of my third property. Interesting times indeed.

    Regards

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    Its an interesting scenario at present.. 

    Vacancy rates have had a lot of volatility in the last 6 months, but a trend seems to be developing in the downward direction. Net migration onto the coast has actually declined compared to historical standards, but that too seems to be reversing as well. Vacancy rates were at 2.3% this time last year.

    Speaking to local agents I have been told of the heavy increase in applications from people moving down from Gladstone (Vacancy Rate – 5.8% currently) and other mining towns. As the work available is declining, people are seeking more desirable locations to live and taking advantage of the FIFO revolution. 

    Lets see if Clive can deliver his promise of the new airport extension. An increase in flight pathways to the Sunny Coast from Australia wide is urgently needed to support this growing sector.

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