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  • Profile photo of First timerFirst timer
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    Hi all,

    Just looking for some basic advice on how I should structure a new loan for a new investment property that I plan on buying and moving into in a year or so. I understand that I should be be keeping my IP debt high and my PPOR low. However unsure of how this will work if I swap my ppor and IP.

    Current PPOR value $500k with $320k owing. Do I take out the 80k equity and use it for the new IP? (that will eventually become my PPOR in a years time)

    Or is there a better way?

    Grateful for any advice.

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Borrow any extra $80k from the PPOR as a separate split.
    Use your cash as deposit to avoid LMI if possible
    Borrow 80% of the new property, IO with 100% offset

    Quickly convert the existing loant o IO with offset if you can.

    Until you move keep all cash in the offset of the existing home.
    Once you move take your cash with you to the new home and its offset.

    Use separate banks if you can.

    And consider timing – when to move, considering land tax if applicable.

    When you move out of the old one get a valuation done as this could be the new cost base.
    No valuation needed for the new one when you move in, but keep a record of all expenses while you are living there as that can be used to reduce CGT when you sell.

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    Profile photo of First timerFirst timer
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    Thanks very much for the reply.

    Some additional information for concideration.

    Im not going to be able to avoid LMI. So can I borrow to say 88% of my current PPOR thus setting up a seperate split loan of:

    500k x 88% = 440k (less 320k owing)
    So $120k

    This way I will be able to achive the new IP loan at 80%.

    Then in a years time move into the IP and claim the LMI as taxable debt on the old PPOR?

    Thanks again

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Have you paid LMI on your current property before?

    If so – then it’s likely to be more cost effective leveraging up to 88% against the existing property as the LMI costs shouldn’t be too high (just an adjustment to the premium you’ve already paid).

    If you haven’t paid LMI previously – look at the difference in LMI costs when borrowing more than 80% against your current property compared to borrowing more than 80% against the purchase property.

    I’d set all up as interest only – have an offset linked to the owner occ loan at the time.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Then in a years time move into the IP and claim the LMI as taxable debt on the old PPOR?
    Thanks again

    You can do that, but would the LMI be deductible? I don’t think so because it was incurred because you increased the loan to buy a new PPOR – a private expense.

    However, You might be able to argue that the LMI relates to the whole loan and at least part of it will be deductible.

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    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    This is actually great thinking New Timer – well done.

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    I believe you would be able to claim a percentage of the LMI arguing it was incurred on the whole loan.

    As it is normally claimable over 5 years with the first years proportional you still might be able to get 2-3 years worth out of it.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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