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  • Profile photo of frangypanifrangypani
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    OK…we bought an investment property in Port Douglas last year with an idea to eventually retiring here or using it as a holiday home. It is negatively geared and is costing us all up $8K a year. The positives are that it’s in the four mile beach zone and has no body corporate being freehold and has been rented out continuously so far. It cost us $330K and the rent is $330 pwk. The costs are council rates (massive) and insurance. We can afford to sit out and wait to see what happens for a few years but I really hate seeing $$$ going down the drain. Any ideas of how to turn this into a positively geared property or what we should do? Thanks.

    Profile photo of Kinnon BellKinnon Bell
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    Being a tourist destination can you holiday let it through a company that specialises in that arrangement? Would there be a demand for your property?

    It may not necessarily be money down the drain if you’re getting capital growth with the property.

    How much is the insurance on the place?

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    Profile photo of frangypanifrangypani
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    I think we’re safer getting regular cash flow from a tenant and we’ve have to tart it up a bit if we were to rent it out as a holiday let. It’s rented unfurnished at present. But does have potential possibly for a holiday let as it’s got a pool, 3 bed/2 bathroom. Insurance is $2300 per year, shared driveway upkeep is $600 per year, council rates $3500. Yep, hoping capital growth will be the answer.

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Hiya

    Are you claiming depreciation?

    How come the insurance is so high? Can you get a better deal?

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of frangypanifrangypani
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    Yes insurance is very high…but this is as low as we could get….it used to be over $3000K per year with the bank who wanted to up it to $4K a year! For some reason you say Port Douglas or FNQ and the figures jump unjustifiably.

    Profile photo of Kinnon BellKinnon Bell
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    That insurance is cheap or in par for FNQ. I’m paying about $2600 for my PPOR at Cairns northern beaches.

    If the insurance review ever happens it may get cheaper but I’m not holding my breath for it.

    North Queensland is starting to get a bit of focus of late (more so Cairns and Townsville) again so it may spill on to Port Douglas but as far as the market goes it doesn’t have a lot more to offer diversity wise other than being a tourist town.

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    Profile photo of frangypanifrangypani
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    Thanks for this. So do you think the best strategy is sit and wait for a few years in the hope the market picks up?

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    Having done all the investigation of the FNQ / Port Douglas / Cairns area

    .. the answer comes back …

    … and its not pleasant.

    Cairns .. Port Douglas .. Palm Cove

    .. are weighted down with large body corp charges
    .. are weighted down with expensive rates proportionate to the property value.
    .. are in a zone which suffers from frequent damage from both flooding and hurricanes. (hence the high insurance premiums)
    .. are allocated ‘holiday zoning’ priveleges for a large amount of property in the area .. restricting the tenancy supply.

    A current example in Cairns sums it up nicely. The property is permanently tenanted at $250pw (13k p.a.) The combination of rates and body corp EXCLUDING contents insurance (bodycorp has a structural insurance for the whole premises) comes to roughly 10k.

    So for this particular property .. you NEED a tenancy just to cover the bills, not including any loan payments .. or any work and repairs due or needed on the apartment.

    If you are treating a property as an investment .. you need to be able to see demand for the property in years to come .. and not have it leaking money while you wait for that demand to eventuate.

    There are properties in the Port Douglas area which stand up as good investments .. the area has been badly depreciated and there are some genuine bargains available at the moment which will provide a good investment long term. However .. most of the units are sitting there waiting to be sold .. based on the promises of developers who offered a part time holiday pad with an ongoing investment strategy that is never going to eventuate barring inflationary movements.

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Yes insurance is very high…but this is as low as we could get….it used to be over $3000K per year with the bank who wanted to up it to $4K a year! For some reason you say Port Douglas or FNQ and the figures jump unjustifiably.

    Ahh of course – FNQ!

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Hi Frangypani,
    Wow – the options don’t look too bright right off the bat…. But the “holiday rental” might be a path worth researching….

    Your story could be my own – but my property is in the Gold Coast Hinterland (in the mountains). We were losing steadily until we bit the bullet and made it into Holiday Letting. Now, we are NOT on a beach, but there is a call for pristine environments and fresh mountain air – and COLD weather. Our major letting season is Winter !! Go figure….

    Anyway, in a nutshell, our GROSS rental income has virtually doubled from the usual family rental. Of course, there are costs, but they may come nowhere near the $8k you are losing anyway.

    Do some research on things like – expected holiday letting income for YOUR area, extra costs (laundry, cleaning), and see whether your Nett Income would increase and by how much. It “might” be worth going that route. To furnish, we used “No Deposit, No Interest for x years” deals to make it habitable quickly, and without digging into our pockets.

    What do the numbers say? Share them here – we may be able to assist in that way. And welcome aboard :)

    Benny

    Profile photo of Kinnon BellKinnon Bell
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    Thanks for this. So do you think the best strategy is sit and wait for a few years in the hope the market picks up?

    Have a look at the suburb profile report as a guide –> http://www.myrp.com.au/free_suburb_profile_report/qld/port_douglas/4877 as it shows median trends over the years and can be a good gauge on where the town is at in the property cycle.

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    Profile photo of frangypanifrangypani
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    Thanks for the advice – I will definitely explore holiday letting Benny and I think the prices have levelled out in Port Douglas now so maybe prices will start to gradually climb which makes me feel a bit better about the opportunity for capital growth. It just feels like such a doozy of an investment but I know that others are in a much worse situation.

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    you could talk to the accountant about the more details when you do your tax return.

    I have a very similar situation before.

    chrislee
    http://www.auhouseprices.com

    A good website for your to check the Australia Property Sold Prices, http://www.auhouseprices.com

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