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  • Profile photo of gumtreegumtree
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    June 6, 2014 - 12:46 pm

    Hi,
    Steve says if you don’t like the answer you get, ask a different question or ask a different advisor.

    So maybe like minded investors might be able to direct me to an advisor with the right answer or help me with the right question? :)

    If you have a house purchased in a company is it possible to sell that property/company to your SMSF.

    Thanks,

    Andrew

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    June 6, 2014 - 7:40 pm

    Possibly.

    If you or an associate control the company it may be a related party. A transfer could not be done of the property unless it was business real property. However there could be an exemption to transfer the shares of the company. Look at Reg 13.22 SiS Regs and seek legal advice.

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    June 6, 2014 - 8:27 pm

    Hi Gumtree, it is possible however depends on the facts. Transfers can be made of ‘business real property’, and if not need to look at in-house assets rules, which is a disaster if you breach. In any case, best to sit down with an advisor and thrush it out.

    Cheers, Ivan

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    June 9, 2014 - 8:27 pm

    Yes and No depending on the property as has been set out.

    Might not like the answer but SIS will dictate what you can and cannot do.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of Anthony KAnthony K
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    June 13, 2014 - 3:11 am

    Hi All
    Redwood and Richard are correct,
    Q: The issues are 1. who would buy property in a compsny?
    A: A dumb person because you lose the 50% CGT discount available to individuls, partnerships and trusts (inxl SMSF at 33%)
    Rule 1 NEVER buy any growth asset in a company.
    Next Q
    2. is the property commercial or used in a business carried on by a SMSF Member or other related party?
    A: Yes pass and proceed on arms length terms (Valuation and SISA S109 and S65)
    A. NO. Breach S66 and go to jail less a large wad ofATO cash penalties.
    Whats your next problem?
    Regards
    AnthonyK

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    June 13, 2014 - 8:49 am

    One reason a company is considered is beccause of land tax in NSW. A company will get a new threshold. A developer may not get the 50% CGT discount so this may not be an issue for some people. I would generally not recommend a company but I have a few clients who already own property in a company.

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