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  • Profile photo of RoyceRollsRoyceRolls
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    Hi guys,

    Firstly hear is my situation.

    Im 24 years old.  I work for one of the big mining companies working 2 on 1 off FIFO, my salary package is $137,000.

    I have $50,000 in savings.

    I own and apartment with my brother, he is buying me out in the next few months. Roughly $200,000 for my half.

    I have zero debt and currently live at my Dads paying $50 every 3 weeks.

    I have been studying property investing for the last 6 months and after learning all the available options I dont no what path to take???? 

    where would you guys start?  I have to be out of my Dads house in the next 6 months so a place for me to live has to be in my strategy.

    I look forward to your responses.   

    regards     

    Royce

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    I am single, no kids and work away 2 out of 3 weeks.  I dont think buying a property to live in makes financial sense.

    In saying that, I am entitled to first home buyers grant and no stamp duty etc. So maybe it makes sense to buy one and live in it for 6 months.

    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    Yes, you are entitled to FHOG, and you will still be entitled to it if your first one or two acquisitions are actually Investment Properties.  Presuming the FHOG still exists later on of course.

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    Hi RR,

    Given you are not ready to be tied down consider a renting type option (Eg. studio unit, one bedder, board with others) to take care of your residency.

    Then look to use your cash in some form of investment strategy.

    For what it is worth I would try and keep the maximum cash available in an offset account so you retain flexibility over your funds. This gives you plenty of wriggle room, cash towards a PPOR in the future and a strategy to offset loan costs.

    I'll leave you to work out the what and where.

    Hoep this helps.

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    Gift the money to a discretionary trust. Borrow it back later on to buy your PPOR. Have a loan agreement which gives an initial interest free period. Borrow 80% from the bank. Live in the property for 6 months, then move out. Rent it. You can still claim it as the main residence, but get all the deductions. Have the trust charge you reasonable rates for the outstanding loan and pay the bank their interest. Allow the trust to take a second mortgage over the property.

    This has 2 effects.

    1. Asset proteciton in the event of bankrutpcy and some asset proteciton if you later go through a marital separation.

    2. Diverts income into the trust which can then be distributed more tax effectively.

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    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    Good Lord Terry, that's got to be post of the year.  That is smash it out of the ballpark advice if ever I saw it.  Royce you'd sail an awful lot further with Terry on your team than you could by yourself.  If I were you I'd be dialling his number as fast as possible.

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    Hi Royce

    Yes you are in a strong position and you may wish to reduce the tax you are paying and look to buy high growth property. I agree it does not make sense to you to buy a home to live in. These days I would advise most people starting out to rent and buy investments because home ownership does not make financial sense. If you buy a home to live in it does nothing to reduce your tax and you have the burden of carrying the full loan.

    By investing it gives you the opportunity of buying in another location that may provide stronger capital growth. I think investing  gives you a lot more options

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    JacM wrote:
    Good Lord Terry, that's got to be post of the year.  That is smash it out of the ballpark advice if ever I saw it.  Royce you'd sail an awful lot further with Terry on your team than you could by yourself.  If I were you I'd be dialling his number as fast as possible.

    Jac, most people don’t grasp its significance.

    I met with one young guy who had a very large inheritance. He could have done something even better with a post death testamentary trust – but he just went away and never implemented anything. He just started buying property with the cash as deposits..

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    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    Hi Royce

    First and foremost, congratulations on being in such a good financial position smiley

    Be aware that you'll get plenty of offers of assistance to relieve you of your money…. some will be with your best interests at heart, and others will not.  You can leverage the skills of some awesome professionals out there, and their fee will seem small with where they help you launch yourself to.  Just be sure that if you get help, the person you are asking to help you to smash it out of the ballpark will indeed do so, and that the result will be better than what you can do by yourself.

    Some people choose to purchase a home to live in, and others choose to spend all their cash on deposits for investment properties, and they carry on renting themselves.  It really depends on your personality and life circumstance.  For instance, someone with children might not want the stress of being a tenant with the ever-present threat of eviction and not being able to get another property in the same area.  Such a move can resulting in having to move out of the postcode catchment of the schools in the area, which results in having to move to a different school, and so on and so forth.  Conversely, someone younger might love moving about a bit and being near all the action, where it is affordable to be as a tenant but not as a homeowner.

    That's the first big decision you need to make.  Whether you want to buy something to live in or whether you intend to rent a residence to reside in.

    With regards to the First Home Owner Grant, did you know that you can buy a duplex pair (two little houses glued together but on the one title) and live in one and rent the other out?  Just something to think about…

    Looking forward to reading more about what you fancy doing… everyone will have an opinion on where you should invest hehehe

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    Hello

    This is an interesting thread. Rather than start a new thread, I'd thought I'll ask some questions here as my questions are similar to Royce's questions and my questions are also around's TerryW's strategy suggestions.

    TerryW, your first response on the thread is very interesting. How would the strategy change, ie "Gift the money to a discretionary trust. Borrow it back later on to buy your PPOR. Have a loan agreement which gives an initial interest free period. Borrow 80% from the bank. Live in the property for 6 months, then move out. Rent it. You can still claim it as the main residence, but get all the deductions" if the individual's annual taxable income is around $80,000 per annum (marginal tax rate of 34%)? The strategy does not vary significantly if the individual's taxable is significantly lower, does it?

    I am eligible for the First Home Buyer's Grant as I haven't bought property as a principal residence before. I've bought an investment property in the past but have never claimed the FHB Grant.  I do not own any investment property at the moment. I'm not claiming any significant tax deductions so my PAYE employee tax liabilities are around the $18,000 per annum mark (this amount includes quarterly provisional tax as a family member's distributes her income to me so my $80,000 per annum threshold is used up in order to lower her taxable income from 38% to 34%).

    I wish to continue to help out the family member lower her taxable income (or she would be paying a lot of tax on her income).

    My objective is also to minimise my tax liabilities whilst saving as much as possible from my fortnightly income (presently, I am not minimising my tax liabilities, however, I'm saving my net salary income with much ease). I expect my income to remain at very similar levels for many years to come (that is, just under the $80,000 per annum mark) if I don't make any significant changes to my work arrangements and lifestyle. 

    TerryW, you mentioned that the strategy diverts income into the trust which can then be distributed more tax effectively. 

    Sorry for my ignorance, but when you say, 'Gift the money to a discretionary trust', how much do you suggest I gift to a discretionary trust? 20-30% of the purchase price of the home?  And then borrow 70-80% from the bank, is that how it works? 

    Thank you

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    Hi Royce.

    Salary $137K and you're giving Dad $50 every 3 weeks, ?  well I spose it's the principal of the thing but I suggest you make it a coupla grand and start your journey on a better footing. 

    If you're not sure where you're going and how to invest, Terry certainly has the expertise to make it as simple or as comprehensive as you need, but with flexibility, which you need when there's indecision.

    I'd be living on the $37K and investing the $100K p.a. for a few years, while the going's good.

    Cheers

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    I agree that $50 for the week I am home is not much at all, I have tried to pay more but he dosnt want a bar of it.  He is just happy I am home after 5 years in the Army. 

    Thanks TerryW. I have been reading up on trusts and definitely think that's the way to go. I have a few questions hopefully you can help me with.

    1, Is the property investor trust the best option?

    2, If investment properties are owned by a trust, and the rental income is getting payed into the trust fund' if you wish to leave it in the trust fund and not pay the beneficiaries can you avoid the heavy tax by purchasing something like a vehicle? similar to a company set up?

    3, What's involved in setting up a trust? costs, timeframe, documents etc

    Thanks for the feed back guys.

    Royce

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    RoyceRolls wrote:
    I agree that $50 for the week I am home is not much at all, I have tried to pay more but he dosnt want a bar of it.  He is just happy I am home after 5 years in the Army. 

    Thanks TerryW. I have been reading up on trusts and definitely think that's the way to go. I have a few questions hopefully you can help me with.

    1, Is the property investor trust the best option?

    2, If investment properties are owned by a trust, and the rental income is getting payed into the trust fund' if you wish to leave it in the trust fund and not pay the beneficiaries can you avoid the heavy tax by purchasing something like a vehicle? similar to a company set up?

    3, What's involved in setting up a trust? costs, timeframe, documents etc

    Thanks for the feed back guys.

    Royce

    Royce

    1. certainly not
    2. no. This wouldn’t work in a company either. A car is a capital asset so not deductible, but it may help to reduce the taxable income slightly by depreciation or other claims, but you couldn’t claim the car outright.
    3. costs from nil to $20k to set up. average around $2k or so can be done in a few min.

    BUT, I wasn’t suggesting you buy in a trust

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    nyc88 wrote:
    Sorry for my ignorance, but when you say, 'Gift the money to a discretionary trust', how much do you suggest I gift to a discretionary trust? 20-30% of the purchase price of the home?  And then borrow 70-80% from the bank, is that how it works? 

    Thank you

    I would suggest you look at gifting the whole of your cash to a trust and then for each property borrowing the 20% deposit from the trust and the 80% from a bank.

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    You are suggesting I buy in my name but loan my deposit from a trust I create? Then allow the trust to buy the property off me after my 6 months is up?

    Sorry Terryw, I am new to all of this and am sure ill come across as stupid.  I just want to get my strategy right from the start rather then make mistakes early that will cost me later.

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    RoyceRolls wrote:

    You are suggesting I buy in my name but loan my deposit from a trust I create? Then allow the trust to buy the property off me after my 6 months is up?

    Sorry Terryw, I am new to all of this and am sure ill come across as stupid.  I just want to get my strategy right from the start rather then make mistakes early that will cost me later.

    Yes to the first part, No to the second.

    This goes over the heads of most people….

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    Profile photo of RoyceRollsRoyceRolls
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    Do you mean allow the trust to borrow against the initial property to begin investing?

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    No, the trust shouldn’t invest. It would just be a lender to you.

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    Quick note if you do buy a PPOR (although note the best option by the sounds of it) you have to live in the place for 12 months – 6 months for the first home buyers grant yes but if you leave before the 12 months you have to pay back the government the stamp duty concession pro rata. Learnt the hard way over a year ago and our mortgage broker and financial planner never brought it to our attention.

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    Oh very interesting Claire – thanks for sharing!

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