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  • Profile photo of AdisKayAdisKay
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    Hi, my question is – First of all what would it take to generate a rental income of $1500 at least if you have $140,000 saved up. What would be the best way to go about using this money to generate this income & how long would it take (roughly) to achieve? How many properties could one expect to buy and for how much each? Which areas etc? Any info will be greatly appreciated of course!

    :)

    I'm not just throwing a random question out there btw. I am asking because I would like to create this income as a safety buffer during my career change. I will be out of work for an unknown amount of time and may need training in the new field and on top of that I may even begin on a lower income than what I have now, and based on my expenses. This is the income I would like in order to sleep at night lol. 

    Thanks for taking the time to read!

    Profile photo of TheFinanceShopTheFinanceShop
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    Hi AdisKay,

    $1,500 per week or per month? Also is that net or gross?

    Regards

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    Profile photo of AdisKayAdisKay
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    Sorry for leaving out the details, Thats net income pet week

     Cheers :)

    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    Wow I'll watch this thread with great enthusiasm!

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    $1500 pw = $78,000 pa

    To get $78,000 pa on a rental yield of 4%:

    = $78,000/0.04

    = $1,950,000

    So you would need about $2 million worth of unencumbered property to get $78,000 before tax if you were getting a yield of 4% after paying costs.

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    before tax

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    Profile photo of M.InvestigatorM.Investigator
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    You mentioned that you will be out of work…

    Even if you have $140,000 saved up, the only way that I can think of for you to perhaps get close to your goal is to use leverage. But you would still need a job, and perhaps a high paying one at that, in order for you to get the loan serviceability and to get those loans in the first place.

    Will you still be in a job, and if so, is it a high paying one?

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    For those kind of returns your asking, you would have more luck taking the $140k to the casino and betting on number 23

    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    Put it all on black!

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    I used to always bet on black. Got me in the red!

    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    I'm going to ask the bleeding obvious:

    1. Why can you not have a part time job of some kind to cover your living expenses during this time of re-training?

    2. Why do you need $1500 a week?  An individual can live on wayyyyyyy less than that.  I assume you have a partner and children  you are supporting?  If so, why can the partner not get a job during your time of career change?

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    Profile photo of AdisKayAdisKay
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    Well yes, My living expenses are $514,20 weekly on a strict budget  to be exact, I have a 12 month old girl and my partner can’t work as she has to take care of the child.

    Why did i choose $1500? Because that’s my income at the moment and i would like to replace it in order to maintain the steady climb in savings. Working part time is just going to lag my savings. I’ve ruled this out. Studying part time will take 6 years. Now this might be my only option + it gives me time to add a substantial amount to my savings.

    I’m basically asking a simple question here – Is there any examples out there of someone reaching $1500 per week net income who started off with $140,000 saved up? Of course there would be. But what did they do? How long did it take to reach this/similar income? How much did they spend on their first few investment properties? Did they use certain strategies initially to increase their savings quicker with lump sum profits with renovations ?

    Any tried and true examples is all I’m asking. I don’t goals. At the same time I don’t want to waste my time not investing

    Thanks to everyone who offered opinions and comments, its much appreciated!

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    Make sure your first car is a Ferrari.

    Thats one way to learn how to handle a car and find out how expensive it is to crash.

    Seriously .. if you think you are going to rip straight into a set of properties returning x% and make your first ludicrous amount of lucre (money) you are …. tasking yourself to the extreme.

    Put yourself in the novice drivers seat and learn your market .. if you want to go faster and sooner .. then learn more about what people who HAVE gone faster and sooner have done.

    Bite and Chew. Its a simple strategy.

    Bite – Learn how much financial pressure you are prepared to take onboard and how much risk and ability to absorb risk you are prepared to involve yourself with.

    Chew – Having accepted the amount you have 'bitten' you give yourself time to become familiar with the figures and expenses and tenancy pattern involved. Once satisfied with what you've 'chewed' off, you can go back for another 'bite'

    you either dip your feet in the water and learn if you can handle the temperature and flow .. or you become the next person to rush in .. make a series of well intentioned heady mistakes and spend the next twenty years telling anyone who will listen how property is such a scam.

    Thats the reason i'm on here. I'm like Steve .. i've made my money (twice) and really had no need to write a book about it. However .. to present a picture for starters who are on their way .. i'm here for them.

    And if you are really smart .. even now .. there are still ways and means to make a fortune .. even quickly. But it requires smarts .. it requires negotiation skills (do i keep repeating this to sound wiser or does it really work) and it requires the time you might usually spend watching some inane TV show that keeps you entertained.

    They wont be the same ways that any other investor took. Often that road has been taken and the path to that particular achievement is long gone. But they will be YOUR path .. and the successes you have will be based either on taking onboard other people's experience .. or making the mistakes yourself.

    Think about that last statement .. and take it onboard.

    My feeling for you Adiskay is this.

    If you are going to take a 'fast' strategy .. you'll need to accept more positively geared (or neutral) property with ongoing potential. With a faster strategy you'll need more positive and highly positive (1%+ over loan and expenses) to get you to the point and potential you wish to achieve. You will need to take on slightly riskier propositions and be prepared to do some of the work on upgrades yourself. Allow plumbers to do plumbing .. and electricians to do electrical work. But painting .. tiling .. cabinetry, and any place where you feel you can save money .. thats where you will benefit.

    Skill yourself up .. and prepare yourself so you can achieve results quickly when required.

    Good Luck.

    Profile photo of AdisKayAdisKay
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    xdrew my friend :) I am sincerely grateful for the time you took to share some advice & thoughts with me. I especially liked the metaphor with the Ferrari crash; It hits a spot for me to be honest.

    In regards to television, I don’t really know what’s even happening in the world due to the lack of interest I have in the tube. I rarely set eyes on it. Typical week for me consists of 46hrs of work, 24hrs of study, 10 hrs of physical exercise & training, 12hrs travelling to and from work (on a train which I use to read & summarize in relation to my studies) and 13hrs time with my family, 48hrs sleep. And the rest of the time is used for preparing & eating meals, etc.

    I just wanted to point that out incise you see me as someone who sits back & says to the fireplace “Give me heat & I’ll give you wood” <- I’m sure you’re heard that before

    I have been studying & researching my future field of work. Now I have some available study slots within my schedule and I would like to summarize 8 to 12 books a year. And I will without the slightest doubt be investing in this course available here in the online shop “Certificate IV – Business” if I remember correctly. A question regarding this course – How many hours a week are required for completion within 12 months?

    By all means, my education has only started shifting towards property. I am considering taking up a Masters degree in UWS in business & commerce (Property investment & development) once eligible & of course this requires a passive income as well to allow full time study.

    I’m having some trouble organising and setting my goals, the more specific with the more realistic outcomes the better. I like to set deadlines. So this is why I asked in the first place what is really possible with $140,000. And don’t rule out high risk investing please. Mind you I wasn’t expecting an answer from anyone to tell me how to get this income overnight. But rather how long? How many years would it take to duplicate your money STARTING with $140,000 and ENDING with $1500 income per week net. The gap in between in terms of years is my real question which everybody seems to have missed,

    Cheers.

    Profile photo of AdisKayAdisKay
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    xdrew, just one thing i forgot to mention in regards to your comment about "a path top a particular achievement is long gone" – PLUS to steve's moto of "doing things differently". I have to disagree with those statements. 

    I believe you’re life is too short to try to reinvent the wheel or to learn it all by yourself, So the smartest thing that you can do is what is called ‘Creative imitation’ Which is to go out and find what other people have done that works. And do what they do until you get to the point where you really know it well and then improve upon it. Thats my theory. 

    If anyone is still willing to answer my question, Maybe even tell me what i can expect to achieve in my current situation with $140,000 in terms of buying two regional properties & adding value through renos ? Or 1 property? Unit or house?  instead people are just telling me i can't do this or can't do that. 

    Anyways thanks again to those who commented

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    Hi Adis,

    Not impossible.

    Some of our clients were in a similar situation as you are with $140K available. The borrowed another $274K to complete a development worth $550,000+ . Rental estimates have indicated a gross rental income of $1300/week is achieveable.

    They intend ploughing the rental income back into the construction loan (or offsetting it) so the principle is either paid out or incurs zero interest because of the balance of funds in the offset account. If they do this it is possible loan interest will be covered either through the offset effect or by paying out the loan. Allow some leeway and a reasonable estimated timeline of up to 6yrs is possible. 

    Some of our clients are also looking at second property with similar numbers to increase rental income further.

    N.B. Plans are based on one property with gross rent of $1300/week and with interest rates of 6.3% – any variation to these will have a commensurate impact on timelines.

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    AdisKay,

    From having read your comment #15 i think you are missing the point.

    What you are asking is how to do things to get to a certain point of finance.

    And here is what i'm saying. By the time you get to that point of finance (unless you do it EXTREMELY quickly) your point of reference will be irrelevant. The money you would have wanted .. WONT be the money that you need or want in that point of time. Money itself moves. My father's big dream was to RETIRE on 10,000 pounds (a HUGE amount in that time .. about 2000 could buy you a house). My first amount borrowed was 200k and i wondered how I would be able to pay it all back. But the money has moved on since then and I earn ten times that a month.

    You will need to start small and with projects and solutions you can comprehend and take onboard. Read Steve's book, no matter how far along he's come .. he started with a couple of smaller projects and thought big.

    You will need to build your castle brick by brick. Revalue your assets .. and continue. Thats how its done.

    Hence my allusion to a Ferrari. You are starting your wealth strategy .. dont bet it all on black … thats a high risk .. high reward OR LOSS move.

    My father used the sheep strategy for me to understand it. He said you buy a couple of good breeding sheep and soon you will have a flock of them. For me … the only place I want to see a lamb is in a pita bread covered in garlic sauce. I love my souvlakis.

    You need your good working assets to build yourself up. Dont feel that anyone is offering you a negative solution or holding you back. They are working on experience. And that experience says .. if you are going to be working in the fishing business you need to know what sort of fish people will pay for. If you are working in the fruit business .. you'll need to know what fruit will sell out on a daily basis .. thats how you will make your money. Same with property. If you want to know how you are going to survive and manage well .. you can either listen to people who have already been there or make the mistakes yourself. In that .. i'm repeating myself .. but i'm building on what I said before.

    The regional solution works .. but the RIGHT regional solution works even better. In a town where I have a single property .. and the town vacancy rate is closer to 6%, in seven years i have never had the flats vacant once. Thats a mix of experience and accomodating the right tenants.

    Thats what you will need. Learn your area, understand WHERE your tenancies will be coming from and what they will be wanting. With that sort of experience .. there isnt a single town that you wont be able to conquer.

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    Okay, so some ridiculously rough figures…

    $140000 cash can fund deposits for $700k at 20% EXCLUDING stamp duty etc. OR around $1400000 using 10% deposit EXCLUDING stamps and Mortgage insurance. Lets work on 700k.

    $700k x 6% interest = $42000pa

    On a high risk strategy you could chase a 9% return = income of $63000pa giving a gross return of $21000. Factoring in 1% for costs (very rough) that would be $14000 net (realistically it would be less – possibly $10000pa) or $200 per week.

     – this is not factoring in stamp duty.

    Or with 10% deposit it would be more – but not double because of the mortgage insurance etc.

    The other issue would be that if you need to buy in higher risk areas to get a better return you might not be able to work on a 20% deposit – let alone 10%.

    Add value to the properties over time, rinse and repeat. It's a long way from $1500 per week but it's a start.

    Thoughts?

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    Look don't wish too appear negative but even at a 50% lvr under NCCP if you can't clearly demonstrate that you can support the loan and that there will not be any material change to your personal circumstances within the next 2 years you wont qualify for any loan let alone enough to generate a rental income of $1500.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

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