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  • jasonlheath
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    Hi There,

    I’m not married but have been seeing a girl for 2 years, things are good and I will probably propose in the next couple of years. Not expecting a divorce but want to protect myself in the eventuality that things change in 10, 20, 30, etc yrs. I currently have substantially more assets than she has, and we also share different views on the way to treat investments.

    What do forum people recommend in terms of protecting these assets without a pre-nup? I would be willing to transfer them to a family trust or something else, as long as they were excluded from a divorce settlement. I don’t mind transferring ownership to another family member as long as the costs to do so (stamp-duty, etc) aren’t too much.

    Appreciate any peoples comments or suggestions. Just looking to protect myself.

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    There are very little ways in which you can protect assets in family law situations. Transferring assets won't help.

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    jasonlheath
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    Terryw wrote:
    There are very little ways in which you can protect assets in family law situations. Transferring assets won't help.

    Thanks Terry, although that is really disappointing that there is no way to protect myself.

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    There is.

    And that is not to enter into a relationship!

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    jasonlheath
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    Terryw wrote:
    There is.

    And that is not to enter into a relationship!

    Haha, yes true but not so practical :)

    Profile photo of Rob G.Rob G.
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    jasonlheath wrote:
    Terryw wrote:
    There are very little ways in which you can protect assets in family law situations. Transferring assets won't help.

    Thanks Terry, although that is really disappointing that there is no way to protect myself.

    Before you START a relationship, you need to put your assets outside your effective control.

    That is very difficult to do in practical circumstances (especially in NSW). How do you find trusted individuals to act as trustee, appointor etc. ?  Will your superannuation trustees 'cave in' to unworthy relatives' demands against your binding nominations ?

    However, so many people plan for wealth accumulation but neglect the asset protection and family succession planning.

    It is surprising the number of people whose life's frugal hard work gets squandered on other undeserving individuals when they either die or become incapacitated.

    You should start the long process of self education now because there are plenty of people who will offer inappropriate structures, wills, insurance etc. to get commissions out of you.

    A good start would be an estate planning publication by the Taxation Institute Australia or similar professional body.

    Cheers,

    Rob

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Hi Rob

    I am interested why you say 'especially in NSW' above – were you contemplating the notional estate orders under Family Provision cases?/

    Also keep in mind what can happen if you make things too elaborate. Take the late INXS singer Michael Hutchinson as an eg. He supposedly hid assets overseas with nominee directors and trustees and then when he died the family lost control of a large chunk of his assets.

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    Profile photo of Rob G.Rob G.
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    Hi Terry,

    The 'notional estate' provisions of NSW FLA must be bordering on constitutional issues unless judges start to elaborate on their reasoning more specifically.

    The Michael Hutchinson scenario is a prime example of the warning about advisers and promoters who are willing to structure your affairs for a fee.

    The prime example is a person seeking an estate plan who is referred to a trustee company. All that company is interested in is the basic writing of a will with that company as the executor and ascertaining the fees it can charge for this service.

    You think that all the financial information you are providing is for them to work out the best way to protect your assets but all they are doing is working out how much you are worth for charging fees by service or by asset value.

    Cheers,

    Rob

    jasonlheath
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    Rob G. wrote:
    jasonlheath wrote:
    Terryw wrote:
    There are very little ways in which you can protect assets in family law situations. Transferring assets won't help.

    Thanks Terry, although that is really disappointing that there is no way to protect myself.

    Before you START a relationship, you need to put your assets outside your effective control.

    That is very difficult to do in practical circumstances (especially in NSW). How do you find trusted individuals to act as trustee, appointor etc. ?  Will your superannuation trustees 'cave in' to unworthy relatives' demands against your binding nominations ?

    However, so many people plan for wealth accumulation but neglect the asset protection and family succession planning.

    It is surprising the number of people whose life's frugal hard work gets squandered on other undeserving individuals when they either die or become incapacitated.

    You should start the long process of self education now because there are plenty of people who will offer inappropriate structures, wills, insurance etc. to get commissions out of you.

    A good start would be an estate planning publication by the Taxation Institute Australia or similar professional body.

    Cheers,

    Rob

    Thanks Rob for the informative reply. Do you have any recommendations for self education texts that I can start with, in addition to the estate planning publication by the TIA?

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    I should point out that the notion estate orders are part of the family provision section of the Succession Act in NSW and they only apply after the death of a person. What these orders mean is that assets that were associated with the deceased but now owned by them or not falling into the estate can be deemed to be part of the estate. This includes super, trust assets and assets held as joint tenants. So someone apply for a family provision order relating to a will could get their hands on these assets. Family provision claims can be made by certain eligible persons who have not been adequately provided for in a will.

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    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Jason, if you want to learn about asset protection then I would recommend the Trust Structure Guide 2012 also from the tax institute. Costs a fortune though.

    Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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    Lawyer, Mortgage Broker and Tax Advisor (Sydney based but advising Aust wide) http://www.Structuring.com.au

    jasonlheath
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    Terryw wrote:
    Jason, if you want to learn about asset protection then I would recommend the Trust Structure Guide 2012 also from the tax institute. Costs a fortune though.

    Thanks Terry,

    Seems like quite heavy going, I’m thinking it would be a better use of my time to use an expert for this kind of thing.

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