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  • Profile photo of maltraversmaltravers
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    Hi,

    I have just recently bought a investment property and have rented it out.  The new tenants have moved in for 7 days.  I have a property manager realestate for this.  They have asked for the place to be steam cleaned before the tenants move in.  I have done that.  They thought the skirting boards required cleaning ($150).  I have done that.  The remote control to the gate did not work (although the gate worked manually) required fixing.  I have done that ($330).  Got an email this morning that the tenants hear rustling noises and the agent wants to send in pest control.

    I was wondering to all landlords out there what I should do about this rustling noise that occurs during the night (apparently)???  The tenants have been in for 1 week and I feel that the agent wants me to pay for every whim.  Am I being unreasonable???

    would love to get advice…. thanks :)

    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    Where are the rustling noises coming from?  Presuming it is mice, why not try some mousetraps and/or ratsack poison?

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    Profile photo of maltraversmaltravers
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    thanks for the suggestion!!  I didn't think of that…
    the rustling is in the walls/ceilings

    can I just tell the property agents/ renters to use mousetraps?  or do I have to put them in myself?

    Profile photo of illuminatiilluminati
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    we saw mice running around the house i am renting…. i put traps and bait out myself….. i’m a big boy now! :P

    I’d just weigh up the costs of all these changes, vs finding new tenants if these ones decide to leave if the problems arent fixed.

    Also weight up if they are problems most people would care about, or just these ones.

    I would become more personal with my tenants, and talk to them directly, suggest traps or bait. if they really do care and you think its a worthwhile issue, maybe call in someone for a quote first… or inspection to see what it is.

    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    are these people going to demand assistance to change a lightbulb?  really and truly… a mousetrap is like a dollar or something at the local supermarket.

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    Profile photo of lbluedentolbluedento
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    I have found contacting tenants to be useful. I’ve had managers call me about little things and when I contacted the tenants they just wanted permission to do a simple repair. Having said that there are 2 groups of tenants those who bug you continually about relatively minor things e.g dripping taps and those who recognise a problem and fix it e.g. replace the washers themselves!! At the moment we have a set of tenants who annoy the heck out of me as they call for simple issues, come Dec I will be looking for new tenants!!!!

    Profile photo of maltraversmaltravers
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    thankyou for the suggestions and replies!!  This is the first time I am renting out a property and very appreciate the advice!!  thanks all :)

    Profile photo of Scott No MatesScott No Mates
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    What are your instructions to the property managers? ie contact me everytime the tenant f@rts, if you need to spend more than $500 etc or is the property manager very inexperienced – you can ask the PM to use their initiative ie is there mouse/possum poo around, did your prepurchase pest inspection reveal TERMITES or other pests (have you done nothing about it)? Were these issues evident to the PM or to yourself prior to purchase/putting the house on the market?

    Profile photo of Jacqui MiddletonJacqui Middleton
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    If it were me:

    I would book an appointment to enter the property myself to investigate where the rustling is coming from – and of course ask the tenant lots of questions about it to help me determine it.  It could be anything – a mouse or two – birds having gotten into your roof to make a home in there (in which case the birds would need removal and the roof would need some patching up) or even a possum.  You need to decide what the issue is before calling in the specialists, or you'll spend a bunch of money getting the wrong type of specialist in.  I doubt the realestate agent will get into the roof wearing their nice suit, so leave it to them and they'll call in chargeable pest control people.  Get your overalls on and go on a hunt for signs… mouse droppings, birds nests, gnaw marks, that sort of thing.  From my limited experience with mice, they seem to enjoy being in the roof, the garage, the pantry, and wardrobes.

    I'd then provide the tenant with some mousetraps, even set them myself while I'm there, and find a way to get it into conversation that they can be acquired from the supermarket.  Hopefully that will sort the issue out, and the tenant will take some initiative in the future by utilising the mousetraps you provide if and when required.  It might be necessary to suggest some ways to them of collecting the mice after they have died.  It'd probably freak them out to touch the mouse, and they might not even want to remove it from the trap.  In that case, using a broom to sweep it into the dustpan and then shovelling it straight into the bin might be ok with them.  Have the discussion with them.  They may not have had to deal with mice before.  Be amenable to providing more mousetraps in future if they kick up a fuss about the few measly dollars, but are not being insistent on pest control services.  You could suggest they could purchase up to say, 3 traps per month and you'd deduct it from the rent if they show proof of purchase.  Just all different ideas.  You need to scope out your tenant's line of thought to decide which way to go.

    While I have not encountered this specific issue, I can't imagine a tenancy tribunal would force you to fumigate the house for one mouse.  Yes if there was an infestation.  Either way, keep a record of your efforts in case you ever have to justify yourself.

    Jacqui Middleton | Middleton Buyers Advocates
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    Profile photo of thecrestthecrest
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    Is there a man in the house ?

    Gotta tell this story – tenant rings the PM complaining about rats in the roof, says  "definately rats." 
    PM rings pest man who inspects roof space declares it's a possum, "doesn't do possums" departs and sends $60 callout fee bill to PM, property owner not happy, tenant not happy, tenant wants possum removed, rustling noises.
     PM calls possum remover man. He makes possum box for $80, traps possum and removes it for release elsewhere.
    PM splits the possum man bill and charges tenant and owner $40 each for the possum box bill.
    Owner and tenant then start arguing over who owns the box, both want it.
    Possum man saws it in half and leaves. True story.   

    Cheers
    thecrest

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