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    I am only beginning in property investing but I am eager to get started. I have found an interesting mortgage option which you can see with the following link: http://www.cashflowcapital.com.au/positive-cash-flow-mortgage.html.
    This option seems great to me, and looks as though it will make finding a cashflow positive property much easier. However, I am inexperienced and am asking advice from those of you who are more experienced in positive cashflow property investing. Is there a downfall with this option? Is it a problem to sacrifice some equity in return for passive income? All help will be greatly appreciated

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    Does it fit into your investing objectives?

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    This product, or a similar version of it, has been widely used in the USA since I’ve been here. It is, in my opinion, a very dangerous product. Many people here took these loans because they couldn’t afford to buy using traditional, safe options.

    Some took them to take advantage of the booming market here in L.A; which ended about a year ago. Now there are many thousands of people who are locked into loans where they owe more than their house is worth, and they can’t re-finance as they won’t qualify for other loans.

    As it stands now, there are many sub-prime lenders (lenders who loan to those who struggle to qualify for traditional loans) going bankrupt (along with their clients) here in the USA . As the housing market has contracted, the loan period has ended and the clients need to refinance and can’t, and the houses are worth less than they paid, so they are forced to sell at big losses.

    As the link says, you pay part of the interest now, and the rest gets tacked onto the loan as you go.

    You are relying on the property to go up in value over time to eventually create the equity.

    Pros;
    good cashflow in short term
    possible pos cashflow while intro rates are low.
    allows you to secure a property and refinance later as finances permit.

    Cons;
    property may not go up in value as you expect.
    property may go down in value, leaving you with neg equity if you need to sell
    neg equity in short term could be disastrous should you need to sell for any reason.

    Are you 100% sure your property will go up in value by more than the interest tacked onto the loan over the honeymoon period? Are you sure you will have enough income/cashflow to start paying principal PLUS extra interest at the end of 5 years?

    This question asks;
    “Q. I understand there is no offset account, however I could put back more into the loan and hence creating a line of credit or I can reduce the principal. Is there a fee for this? Is there a max limit?
    A. Extra payments up to 50% of original loan permitted within 5 years. The client has the ability to redraw the additional repayments with 2 Free redraws per month (min $500).

    I think the reality is people take these loans because they are struggling with cashflow, so paying off more than the repayments allow is probably unrealistic.

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    Profile photo of 99chris9999chris99
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    I do not want to rely on a property increasing in value, especially as I would be looking in rural areas.
    I will continue to look hard for a property that will produce positive cashflow while using a more traditional mortgage option.
    Thanks for all your help [thumbsup2]

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    Most people do not udnerstand these sorts of loans. It basically is just capitalising part of the interest. ie you only pay part now, and the rest is added to the loan. So unless you have high growth, then you will be going backwards.

    There is also a risk the ATO could disallow the interest deduction on the capitalised component.

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    Profile photo of P_retiredP_retired
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    Terry, Can i ask your opinion on other alternatives
    Would a LOC that had the ability to enable some capitalisation ie where you serviced debt with debt for several years be better way to go?
    cheers

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    P_retired.

    The LOC Probably would be cheaper, but not many go to 90% LVR.

    Another option would be to borrow 90% IO and put 10% in an offset account with the repayments coming from this.

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