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    Hi All,

    From the Real Estate Institute of Australia:

    “Median rents dropped in the nation’s three biggest cities in the June quarter. In Sydney, rents for two-bedroom apartments fell 3.4%. In Melbourne they fell 4%, while in Brisbane the slump was slightly softer, at 2.2%”

    Is time to sell?

    Clones

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    Hi Clones, why sell. A current IP would already have a lease in place so the drop in rents wouldn’t matter. I really can’t see tenants wanting to break their lease and have hassles with moving for a 5-10% drop in rent.

    C2

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    Originally posted by C2:

    Hi Clones, why sell. A current IP would already have a lease in place so the drop in rents wouldn’t matter. I really can’t see tenants wanting to break their lease and have hassles with moving for a 5-10% drop in rent.

    C2

    Hi C2,

    What you mean a current IP? Don’t the tenants change overtime and you need to find new ones?
    I am not suggesting tenants breaking their lease for 5% or 10% that is nosense, what this article says is that a tenant is going to bargain the price when renting much more, if they find a place across the road in the same condition and 5% or 10% less rent, well my friend I think you can figure out where they are moving to!.

    This is another from of going from CF+ to CF-.

    Clones

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    It’s median rent..which maybe indicative of apartments dropping their rents to attract tenants or some such thing?

    I’d think there would be a huge difference in the various markets in these places, affected by vacancy rates etc etc in the different suburbs and types of IP’s..

    Over here in WA rents are rising..

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    Absolutely Redwing,

    I think in WA we are seeing general rents rising by 5 or 6%…about time too. Tenants have had it far too low for far too long.

    Personally, I’m negotiating jumps ranging from 12% up to 60% on past leasing levels that were woefully inadequate.

    Corporate profits are up, especially in resource based businesses, and they don’t mind a bit securing properties with higher rent levels.

    It’s all good from my end. Thank God I don’t own anything in the Eastern States.

    Cheers,

    Darryl Moore

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    yes I just whacked up the rent on an IP by over 10% and was worried what the tenants reaction would be… his response was that it was a long time coming and no worries. it’s a good time to get stuck into overdue increases because there sure are few options for your tenants to find alternative accomodation. as an indication, our PM team are leasing complexes of villas weeks prior to completion… great for the investors.



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    Profile photo of MichaelYardneyMichaelYardney
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    Rents always drop in winter and go up 10%-15% in summer. It’s the old storey of supply and demand.

    Our agency http://www.rentingmelbourne.com.au has about the same number of properties to lease all year round, yet enquiries are far fewer in winter and properties sit vacant for longer.

    So to lease them Pam, my wife and director of the comany, suggests her clients drop their rents. A $5 per week drop in rental boosts enquiries from the internet quite noticably and places get leased.

    Contrast that to January and February when there are many more tenants looking for accomodation. If for every property you have available for lease, there are 2 or 3 serious rental applications, its really easy to increase rentals by 5% or 10%.

    This pattern happens every year.

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    Good point Michael…. a good reason to sign 6 month leases in winter to coincide them with the January rush.



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    Hi Clones,

    I assumed that you were asking if its time to sell (Is time to sell?) because of a decrease in rental returns.

    Current IP’s are the IP’s that investors own now.

    (Don’t the tenants change overtime and you need to find new ones?) Yes, but some of my tenants have been there for between 15-20 Yrs.

    (if they find a place across the road in the same condition and 5% or 10% less rent, well my friend I think you can figure out where they are moving to!.) I’m not sure about this one either, moving doesn’t just involve walking across the road either. How many things do they have to change for that 5-10%, electricity, postal, driving licence, insurances. I think most people wouldn’t move across the road to save somewhere between $20-$50/ month. Also, how often do you find places that similar to each other unless there in the same complex. Most of my IPs have something that makes them a little unique/different to other surrounding properties and my PMs never have a problem finding new tenants. To the best of my memory the longest any of my IPs has been vacant is less than 14 days.

    Nevertheless there will always be some people like you say that will take the 5-10% cheaper property.

    C2

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    Hi All,

    Reading through the inflation report form the RBA found that inflation is heading up and is starting to concern the RBA as increases in interest rates will be needed sonner rther than later.

    But what really catchmy attention is that rent are falling and in the last period they were down 2% and I believe that trend will continue.

    Clones

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    Being strongly influenced by the university our local rental market is at it’s strongest in Feb and at it’s weakest about now.

    I don’t feel too much concern. I doubt the sky is falling.

    Did you read this article Clones? Perhaps there is some hope on the horizon for us poor property investors [blink]

    HIA Media Release “Sydney Faces Rent Crisis”
    12 October 2005

    SYDNEY FACES RENT CRISIS

    Sydney councils have been urged to speed up approvals for new apartments
    as Sydney is caught in the grip of a looming rental crisis.

    New research by Australia’s Peak Building Industry Group, HIA, reveals that
    within the next 18 months, Sydney will quite literally run out of vacant rental
    stock.

    HIA’s NSW Executive Director Wayne Gersbach said that with Sydney rents
    already increasing faster than inflation, urgent and immediate action must be
    taken to get apartment and medium density projects into the construction
    pipeline rather than being locked up in councils at the approval stage.

    “While the merry-go-round of arguments relating to planning, zoning, and
    sustainability continue, the unstoppable force of housing demand will further
    drive up rents and squeeze modest and low income earners,” Mr Gersbach
    said.

    “Sydney’s supply of rental dwellings increased by only 14,500 in 2004/05,
    down 13 per cent on the previous year and sending the rental vacancy rate
    plunging from 3.6 to 2.5 per cent,” he added.

    “With rental investment lending in NSW still down some 40 per cent on 2 years
    ago, and with 14 consecutive months of sub-2000 new unit approvals, it is hard
    to see us adding more than 10,000 new properties to the rental stock over the
    next year.”

    At this rate, the Sydney rental vacancy rate will plunge to zero by Christmas
    next year.”

    “Clearly this pressure will drive up rents, affecting savings and consumer
    spending at a time when the NSW economy is already spluttering. More
    importantly however is the negative impact it will have on housing affordability,
    as those rental households who aspire to home ownership see their savings
    eroded,” Mr Gersbach said.

    “With an estimated 4,200 flats, units and apartments stuck in Sydney local
    councils at present, some of which have been waiting final approval for over
    two years, urgent and immediate action must be taken to not only get them
    signed off, but to minimise the additional conditions and sustainability
    requirements that typically add tens of thousands of dollars to the final price of
    each unit.”

    Website: http://economics.hia.asn.au

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    I have increased my rents 5-6% on my Canberra properties, no one complained infact one property was vacant at the time and PM was inundated with calls. So I have no complaints [biggrin]

    Jenny1

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    Originally posted by Dazzling:

    Absolutely Redwing,

    I think in WA we are seeing general rents rising by 5 or 6%…about time too. Tenants have had it far too low for far too long.

    Personally, I’m negotiating jumps ranging from 12% up to 60% on past leasing levels that were woefully inadequate.

    Corporate profits are up, especially in resource based businesses, and they don’t mind a bit securing properties with higher rent levels.

    It’s all good from my end. Thank God I don’t own anything in the Eastern States.

    Cheers,

    Darryl Moore

    “No point having a cake if you can’t eat it.”

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    Dear Darryl,

    1. Just to confirm what you are saying, I’ve just increased one of WA IPs rental from A$240 per week to $260 per week in July 2005. My third IP is presently being rented out at $280 per week since Sep 2005 and I will be targetting to put my 4th IP for $300-$320 per week in 2006 once it is completed..

    2. So , in a way, we can say that the rental rate is rsiing to catch up with its Eastern States’ counterparts.

    3. for your kind update, please.

    4. Thank you.

    regards,
    Kenneth KOH

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    Originally posted by MichaelYardney:

    Rents always drop in winter and go up 10%-15% in summer. It’s the old storey of supply and demand.

    This pattern happens every year.

    Michael Yardney
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    Dear All,

    1. I can agree with Michael is saying here.

    2. I used to rent-live in a lovely oceanside 2-bedroom apartment unit in Scarborough, Western Australia, for $220 per week from July 2005 to Sep 2005. The same unit is now being rented for $500 per week for the holiday-makers market.

    3. Although I have moved into a smaller 1-bedroom apartment unit in the same complex, it now costs me $280 per week, much more than what I have been paying for before.

    4. For your kind update, please

    5. Thank you.

    regards,
    Kenneth KOH

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    If you have subscribed to the daily property email mentioned on this site, you would have read read this morning that rents have increased and are tipped to increase more in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. I tried to put the quote in this post, but it is all too hard for my Monday brain. I have just increased our rent by $10 per week (still a tad under market I suspect) with no complaint at all from the tenant. I suspect he is also reading about the rent increases over the past months in Brisbane and perhaps thinking we could have increased it more. He is paying slightly under market but we have long term tenants who are no hassle at all and look after the place like home. He has locked in for a further twelve months and, therefore, both he and I are happy.

    My thoughts, Wylie.

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    That is good, I’ll talk to the RBA and explain how they are so wrong and how rent are going up everywhere. Maybe they will drop the interest rates next month ;)

    The net result is not so much lies, damn lies and statistics but rather vendor dreaming, buyer wishing and agent glossing.

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