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  • Profile photo of retire40retire40
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    Hi there!

    I recently saw a few ads in the newspaper from Private Lenders offering finance for Investments, Developments, Joint Ventures, etc.

    Have anyone ever tried getting finance from these guys? If so, what are the terms usually like? And what is the application process?

    I imagine that it would a case of presenting a “business proposal” to show both an investing and exit strategy. Please correct me if I am wrong. [cap]

    Profile photo of Mortgage HunterMortgage Hunter
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    This is an expensive route. Interest rates around the 24% mark.

    They will want security in the project and also need to see some track record of your past development success.

    Please ensure you have exhausted other options beofre taking this path.

    Cheers,

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    Profile photo of pfsfinancepfsfinance
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    They can be really expensive.

    Here are some funding options available for

    CONSTRUCTION & DEVELOPMENT FINANCE

    FUNDING AGAINST COST: Is the more traditional, institution based type of lending. The actual cost of development are assessed and the lender will advance funding against cost.In most instancesBanks will require a developer to have contributed at least 20% of the hard cost development as “Hurt Money” as they like to call it.

    Where the application is supported by sufficient presales,some Lenders will lend up to 90% of the construction costs when coupled with increased value from the DA, can result in a development being fully funded.

    LANDBANK FUNDING: Landbank funding is common where the property is acquired for future redevelopment.and the developer is seeking a HOLD facility;
    The property could be Englobo ( ie, Vacant land with out the benefits of development approval) or is lodged and developer is seeking to have it amended or in some cases simply going through the process of selecting a Builder and obtaining pre-sales.
    Typically, Bank’s and other Lending instutions will lend only 50% of the land value in these circumstances.

    Some Lenders are prepared to lend up to 66.66% of the value ( independent of the price ) and in some cases up to 75% of the Value.

    CONSTRUCTION MORTGAGE: Is available for construction or refurbishment of commercial or residential properties. Som lenders will lend up to 70% of developments “gross realisation”. An increase in the loan to value ratio to 80% can be made available on a second mortgage basis. Presales are generally not required and the product requires less equity input from the borrower. Capitalisation of interest can be included in loan amount.

    GROSS REALISATION FUNDING: Is funding against the end value of the product, generally after the deduction of the GST payable under the margin Scheme. The lender will disregard the actual cost of the development and will take a risk against the asset. In most cases, presales will not be required, which means the developer does not have to discount stock in order to achieve sales targets imposed by the lender.

    Some lenders are prepared to advance up to 80% of the end value of the development.

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    Thanks for all the info!

    Whilst it is expensive and possibly troublesome, its good to know about these alternative financing arrangements.

    How do traditional banks view contruction & development finance? Obviously these finance companies exist because of a niche which banks don’t to lend to.

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    1st Tier Lenders have pretty strict criteria regarding funding construction & development.(Funding against Cost)

    The lenders that do Gross realisation funding are not necessarily private Finance Companys. Some of the lenders receive funding from international banks/superfunds etc and you can get rates from around 8.0% – 14.0% depending on the development and type of funding required, LVR’s etc.

    Here is a basic Development Finance Checklist.

    Full corporate information eg:
    ACN
    Directors, Shareholders
    Date of incorporation
    A brief outline of the history of the company and it’s business
    Full personal information for directors and guarantors; i.e. date of birth, drivers license no.
    Copy of Assets & Liabilities Statements on all Borrowers/Guarantors;
    Copies of 2003 & 2002 personal taxation returns;
    Copies of 2003 & 2002 financial statements of the borrowing entity and associated companies;
    Builders resume and capability statement;
    Solicitors, Accountant and Bankers Details, including name, address, telephone number and contact;
    Details of the sales and agents to be used;
    Details of presales, if any, to be achieved after settlement of the land but prior to the commencement of the construction;
    Description of the proposed development;
    Project Feasibility;
    Copy of plans and DA;

    Hope this helps

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    There are lenders and private also that will fund more than 100% of development projects – Gross Realisation, is the term as mention previously, by others.

    However, to elaborate a bit further, some of these lenders will fund this amount to people with no experince in developments. So if you are thinking of starting developing or don’t have the cash flow or need to fill the gap, these lenders can be good.

    The cons; (for first time developers)
    Only small projects to start with,
    A good project manager will neeed to be in place.
    It will need to be quite a good development to be looked at. For Example, min 25% -30% return on project.
    Expensive interest rates(11-12%) and also a lot require a % of the profit. Anywhere from 25%-50%.

    The pros;
    Better taking 50%-75% of net profits, than 0%
    Can get a few developments under the belt to move onto bigger ones and/or lower rate lenders.
    Can finance what the banks won’t.

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    I have used them on a few occasions.

    They lend at between 1 and 5 % above bank rates.

    They take mortgages or caveats, legals are expensive, but they don’t do the thorough checks banks do.

    Good alternative if you get stuck.

    Byronent
    Adelaide SA

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    Interesting stuff, guys! I will make sure to print this thread out for filing. [cap]

    Regarding miracle’s comment about “small projects”, what is the private financier’s definition of “small”? Is there a standard development value?

    It’s all starting to come together…

    Whilst I was working in Chartered Accounting, I came across a few clients who financed several development projects. I could never understand how they could possibly charge interest rates of 20% to 25% and still get a share of the profits.

    Now I know, thanks to you guys!! [aacool]

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    One tip I can give people contemplating development projects is to make sure they use a broker who is experienced in this type of finance as there is a limited amount of lenders that provide finance and if you broker doesn’t know what they are doing, what will happen is the project will go from lender to lender and it wil get to the stage that all the lenders know about it and it gets harder and harder to obtain finance for it.

    I have seen this happen many a time.

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    Definition of small;

    Some lenders; 4-8 units, 10-20 lots of land (still for the inexperienced a good project manger will go a long way)They will start to look closely when loan amounts go over $1.5m for inexperienced, although is still possible to go higher.
    My suggestion; start off with 4 units, the next do 10 lot land, then jump to 8 units and 20 lots. Then your pretty well right.

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    Okay, please pardon my lack of experience but can I please confirm a few items.

    Does the financing arrangement include purchasing the land & construction? Or just the construction?

    What about instances where you purchase a property (house + land), demolish and rebuild?

    kwilko, you mentioned that the personal income tax returns, etc. for the directors/owners of the company is required.

    Does the finance company do credit checks on the individuals as well? Or is the application assessed based on the profitability of the project.

    Thanks!

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    We have put many clients into ‘private’ funds. These are often solicitors funds – 7.5% interest rate or private companies etc. Rates less than 12%. generally the LVRs will be 75% or less.

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