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    Whittaker Macnaught NEWS

    Aussie dollar up

    Prices for computers, stereos and other electronic goods – which
    are almost entirely imported – fell 21.3 per cent. Shoe prices fell by
    3 per cent, cars by 2.6 per cent and clothing prices were also down.
    By far the biggest winners have been Australian businesses, which have
    used lower import prices as a direct contribution to their bottom line. utlook that outlines the
    framework for it’s decision to raise interest rates at the end of 2003.

    TAX TIPS

    Interest and Investment Loans
    by Julia Hartman, BANTACS
    Traditionally, interest is claimable only on a loan where the actual
    money borrowed is used directly to produce income when the property is
    purchased.
    For this reason, it can be dangerous to use a line of credit facility
    on a rental property loan when you will be drawing funds back out to pay
    private expenses. Based on the principle that the interest on a loan is
    tax deductible if the money was borrowed for income producing purposes,
    the interest on a line of credit could easily become non-deductible
    within 5 years.
    If we take as an example a $100,000 loan used solely to purchase a
    rental property. It is financed as a line of credit and to pay the loan off
    sooner the borrower deposits their monthly pay of $2,000 into the loan
    account and lives off their credit card, which has up to 55 days
    interest-free on purchases. The Commissioner now considers there to be
    $98,000 owing on the rental property. In 45 days when the borrower withdraws
    $1,000 to pay off the credit card the loan will be for $99,000.
    However, as the extra $1,000 was borrowed to pay a private expense (the credit
    card), the situation is that now 1/99 or 1% of the interest is not tax
    deductible.
    The next time the borrower puts his or her $2,000 pay packet into the
    account the Commissioner deems it to be paying only 1/99 off the
    non-deductible portion. At this point there is $96,020 owing on the house and
    $980 owing for non-deductible purposes. When the cycle continues and 45
    days later the borrower takes another $1,000 out to pay the credit
    card, there will $96,020 owing on the house and $1,980 owing for
    non-deductible purposes. Now only 98% of the loan is deductible and the amount of
    interest claimable spirals towards zero.
    The ATO has released TR2000/2 to confirms this and, as it is just a
    confirmation of the law, it is retrospective.


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    Good points. I think that was written by the Julia who posts here occaisionally.

    Having a 100% offset account linked to the IP can have the same effect as a LOC, but usually with a cheaper interest rate. This keeps the monies separate so no decrease in the investment loan occurs when money is deposited in the account – but it still saves you interest.
    So you should have no problems with ATO in this regard.

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    Thought it was interesting and rated a post [^]

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    Hi,

    Sorry for the stupid question but isn’t the LOC and Offset account similar in that if you deposit all your salary into the LOC or Offset account, then when you’re credit card bill arrives at the end of the interest free period, you would withdraw enough money from this LOC/Offset account to pay the bill hence the situation described in the article written by Julia Hartman would still apply (i.e it would not be 100% tax deductable because money is going towards non income producing purposes?)……I’m confused [:(]….How would an Offset account operate in a different way in this situation?? (sorry again for the stupid question)

    Kim

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    Hi Kimtruong81,

    both loc and offset accounts are very similar in a way. just think of them both as revolving credit loans, but with your money.

    problem with a LOC is it is like a huge credit card, and as a credit card is debt, you will always have this debt lying around, the advantages with the loc is, because its such a big credit card, (not exactly a credit card, but similar in a way) you can purchases a house or many houses on there, but remember, you will always stay in debt until its payed off. (maybe a bad example, but this is how most people use them.)

    with the offsets accounts, its money you park into another savings account, which offsets against, what principle amount you have owing, or with some banks, instead it will offset against the amount of interest earned in your offset account against the amount of interest you have to pay on your debt interest owed.

    both are similar fashion, personally, i much prefer the offset account, and just having a normal everyday credit card with very large limits and access to funds any place or any time.

    to answer your question, it would be no, because non deductible, can not be claimed.

    Cheers,
    sis

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    Hi all my 2 cents worth, LOC works best if it is taken out on PPOR loan seperate to investment loans so you don’t clash with Ato.

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    Thanks Guys….SIS, you’re example made it easier to understand, makes more sense now! Thanks again

    Kim

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