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    Hi all

    If there is sufficient interest I am happy to post the contacts that I sent to Michael

    cheers

    Bruce

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    Michael

    1) Yes it is, after the purchaser has been in the property for 1 year

    2) Always (x 1,000) consult with your solicitor about this sort of stuff. She/He will spell out all of the compliance issues

    cheerio

    Bruce

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    Ok Ok

    I need to read the end of the posts too….

    sorry Caroline (don’t know how I confused you with Gavin <grin>) though I guess that the congratulations have been earnt by you both [:)]

    Bruce

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    Gavin (& probably Andrew by now too)

    Congratulations !!

    Good on ya for having a go !!!!!!

    We had a very similar experience less than 2 short years ago. Were going to do our own ad based on Steve’s Ad package, ran out of time and just put he ad in EXACTLY as he said.

    Sat around Saturday morning, Denise was sick, I was scared, all fears seemed to be arriving at once….. thought the phone would not ring… talked myself into it….. and then…. it started at 8:30 and rang all day !! Similar number of callers too.

    As our wonderful friend Brenton said to us after we got going “You have come through a lot of fear…”

    Keep riding the wave !

    cheers

    Bruce

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    Michael

    I concur with Terry, with the addition of a further idea:

    “The middle ground”
    You could set up the ‘discressionary trust’ portion of your structure with you &/or business partner as trustees. (so no company yet)

    If all goes well you later set up company and you personally retire as trustee while company becomes trustee.

    As the ownership has not changed (the trust owned the property all along, just the trustees have changed) there is no stamp duty to pay.

    This is how we did our first 4 houses while we got a feel for the business. [8D]

    cheers

    the Bruce

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    Sooshie

    good on you for analysing the deal !!! Thinking about it and realising the potential is the hardest thing to do. Excellent ! [^]

    I was just wondering about exit strategies such as:

    • How much it would cost to build two units on that land and what they would sell for ?
    • Build two units and how much they would rent for ?
    • Keep existing house and rent it out ?

    Does anyone have any clarity or other ideas ???

    cheers

    the Bruce [:)]

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    Kevmeister !

    Hey, can we call you meister for short ? <grin>

    How I understand this is that the first mortgagee has first rights over the equity (property) and as such in a foreclosure situation have the first bite of the apple. The second mortgagee gets the remainder.

    This is why the second mortgagee is usually the one who triggers the foreclosure in order to limit their exposure to loss.

    In our discussions with lenders, some will take the position of a lower LVR if they are requested to allow a second mortgage on the security.

    Hope that helps

    the Bruce

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    Hi all

    yes we have a bit of an interest in Tas [:)]

    Sharing experiences and shooting the breeze can be a fun thing to do no matter what ‘level’ you are at.

    So, if anyone would like to set up a get together we would try and attend. We know another couple of investors who might be interested in coming along too.

    cheers

    Bruce & Denise

    ps: anyone else going to have a listen to Mr Jenman when he tours ?

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    Wei

    A few of our clients are pensioners too. However, they have families who will be the beneficiaries of their estate if anything should happen, so the continuity thing is not an issue.

    Of course, if your plan is to be cashed out early, then this may be an issue to you.

    cheers

    Bruce

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    Hi Matt

    don’t forget to be completely clear with the major financier in the deal. Some do not like 2nd mortgage interests, some do.

    One of our lenders told us that they would usually have a deed with other mortgager revealing and limiting their interest in the security.

    cheerio Bruce

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    Thanks Wei
    glad that you enjoyed it, it was fun doing the taping !

    Monto
    we usually wrap it all up (if you’ll pardon the pun) into the markup that we hand on to wrappee. i.e. it is just another part of our costs.

    cheerio

    Bruce

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    Wei

    The following was supplied to me by our banker and is for higher security (ie borrowing in your own name) loans. The rates are a little higher for investment properties

    % of finance____Insurance rate
    0%__________0.00%
    80%_________0.43% ignore this one as usually free at 80%
    82%_________0.65%
    84%_________0.81%
    86%_________0.97%
    88%_________1.13%
    90%_________1.30%
    92%_________1.46%
    94%_________1.62%

    then multiply by stamp duty (8%)

    For example:
    $100,000 property @ 90% LVR = 1.30% x (90% x 100,000) x (1 + 8%)

    Hope this helps.

    Did you enjoy the Seminar ??? We thought that it was stupendous !

    cheers

    the Bruce

    ps: Steve McK, it is way way hard to do text in columns due to the spaces being ignored. Can Eugene fix this, or is there some funky way of doing it that I need to learn ??

    Edited by – [email protected] on 29/08/2002 12:19:25 AM

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    Camilla

    one other aspect is that the lender will base her/his LVR% on the LESSER of the purchase price or the market valuation.

    The market valuation must provided by a professional valuer, whom is usually on the lender’s “panel”

    cheers Bruce[:)]

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    Hi CY & AD

    One way of doing this is to have BOTH a company and a trust.

    • You and business partner/s are directors of the company.
    • The company is the trustee of the trust.
    • The company purchases properties in its’ capacity as trustee of the family trust

    advantages:
    1) Asset protection: There is some minor level of protection as you can resign as directors and appoint someone else if there are problems
    2) Succession: you can resign and let your children take on directorship (thus control) without any real costs. ie probate, stamp duty, sell then buy costs, etc, etc
    3) You are in a position to give personal guarantees to lenders when sourcing funds.

    disadvantages:
    1) set up cost
    2) running cost
    3) generally higher finance costs to companies than individuals

    Howzat ?

    cheers

    the Bruce [:D]

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    Fergus

    We have used this technique as a tool for helping out folks who really need to have the extra dollars to pay for their rent (or purchase).

    For a number of reasons we originally started out wrap deals with a one year lease with option to buy. Where we lived, at that time the FHOG was not available. Using the lease came from an idea of our solicitor’s, in response to our desire to make sure that people buying from us would still be able to get the FHOG if it became available where we lived (because they had no interest in the property).

    We were a little surprised when one of our tenants “rocked on down” to the appropriate govt agency and was told that she would receive rental assistance ! We checked the printed guidelines ourselves and it certainly appeared that it was ok.

    So, with many of these clients we have elected to write them a new lease every year with a reduced option price as they progressively pay off their home.

    It works (as Steve said) on the premise that the tenant has the option but not the compulsion to purchase the property. The downside of course is that they can not register for FHOG if they are under a lease.

    So, I think of it as another screwdriver to put on your property investing toolbelt to use in appropriate situations. [:)]

    BTW, I purchased the e-book from the site Corey mentions in his post. It is really interesting and has some good info on lease options. Definately “a good read”, but no substitute for a good solicitor and your own common sense !

    cheers

    Bruce

    ps: This is a prime example of how helping someone out has unexpected and helpful results for you. This appears to be a universal law…..[;)]

    Edited by – [email protected] on 19/06/2002 12:31:47 AM

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