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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 00:03:27 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free bump. It&#8217;s been few months. Anyone made any observations of the market lately?<br />
I can only add that renting out houses becoming more difficult. Took us 3 months to find tenant for waterfront house, had to drop rent from $1,200 to $850/week. </p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2014 00:50:06 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, I think we have fundamentally two completely separate topics here.<br />
First one raise by Freckle, that AU economy and RE are more than likely to be visited the recession of some severity.<br />
Second is what &#039;sciencesurf&quot; is talking about, that money to be made on RE.</p>
<p>In regards to recession, I would agree with Freckle, we will see it, we actually&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-143"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/topic/property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/75/#post-4549541" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:41:29 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would call this scenario you have painted 50/50 chance. If you think that will come true, buy gold/silver and make a killing.<br />
Otherwise, housing in AU seem to be now well and truly&nbsp;in stagnation phase. May spend another lot of 5-6 years there as I can see it. &nbsp;Fascinating variable is interest rates.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link, missed it!</p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2014 00:45:15 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Source: <a href="http://blog.residex.com.au/2011/10/19/regional-australia-7/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.residex.com.au/2011/10/19/regional-australia-7/</a><br />
<img alt="" height="567" src="http://blog.residex.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Brisbane-Growth-Graph.jpg" width="902" /></p>
<p>2007- 2011 prices are flat for greater Brisbane. 2011 &#8211; 2014, slight improvement evident over last 12 months:<br />
Source: <a href="http://www.allenrealestate.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.allenrealestate.com.au</a><br />
<img alt="" src="http://www.allenrealestate.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Brisbane-Home-Value-Index.png" /></p>
<p>So a summary would be we are in the flat market from 2007 till 2014. That is 6 years of no growth. Considering 3% CPI, than&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-156"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/topic/property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/74/#post-4549528" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Interstate buying  in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:59:13 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I would be looking to spend $450K, I would travel down for few weekends few times to get the feel, visit open homes and talk to agents. Hire push bike and ride lots in the area of interest, get the feel of the suburb.<br />
Then you leave and decide if you are comfortable to make a purchase yourself or need an agent. Remember, it&#039;s your money.&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-48168"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4410587-interstate-buying/#post-4698714" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:09:20 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to observe such a separation between action in prices in mid/low end of the market versus high end and luxury properties. They act almost totally independent to the eyes of the observer.&nbsp;<br />
Agree about the crash. What makes it a muddy waters is that some commentators pick pockets of the market and state &#039;strong activity&#039;, or observe&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-154"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/topic/property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/74/#post-4549526" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 01:45:50 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time for short update.<br />
Been observing number of specific properties around Brisbane for the last 4 years. Areas of interest Ascot, Hamilton, Wynnum, Bulimba, Hawthorn.<br />
In Ascot, house on the hill, valued at $3.5M sold for $1.9M after 12 months on the market (bank sale). Second house valued at about $3.5M (at best times) still on the market. Had&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-152"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/topic/property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/74/#post-4549524" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic What do you think about the market confidence? in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 01:29:57 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice by Freckle.<br />
It&#039;s a mixed bag at the moment. We have property that is within 10km from CBD purchased for about $650K in 2009 still worth $650K according to sale next door in December. On the other hand, we got property under the contract few weeks back for $1.4M that was 1.95M In 2009.<br />
So, in mine view high end is folding but is hot as&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-48150"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4410574-what-do-you-think-about-the-market-confidence/#post-4698647" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 05:38:10 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same property now was listed for $950K <img src="/wp-content/uploads/smileys/smile.gif?x75824" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" /></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic beginning investor from 2 properties to 4 - My strategy! in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 23:32:02 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#039;day,<br />
Nice to see that you been so active in investment so early, you will do well.<br />
I like your strategy, about having paid out PPOR. Maybe because we are the same, it provides a fall back plan if something goes wrong.<br />
One advice is to watch your cash flow!&nbsp; Your returns are in the range of 6.5% meaning that you are running at the loss on your&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-58905"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4409814-beginning-investor-from-2-properties-to-4-my-strategy/#post-4693835" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2013 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.couriermail.com.au/realestate/selling/gold-coast-home-cost-2144m-sells-for-53m/story-fnihpnt8-1226683700784" rel="nofollow">SOURCE link</a></p>
<p>NEWS: Gold Coast home cost $21.44m, sells for $5.3m</p>
<p>ONE of the biggest homes on the Gold Coast has sold for less than a quarter of what it cost to buy the land and build.</p>
<p>The huge unfinished house on the elite Sovereign Islands was put on the market by mortgagee, ANZ Bank after court action in Australia and Singapore to evict owner&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-149"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/topic/property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/74/#post-4549521" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:11:32 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>god_of_money,<br />
I can, have few charts saved. But I do not consider them reliable as per se. Knowing how it is calculated and how the data sourced, I do not like to use them.<br />
Instead I pick properties in areas I like and watch them over time. With few dozen properties on the my &#039;watch list&#039; I get reasonable feel of how the area or segment is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-178"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/topic/property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/73/#post-4549520" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 03:05:02 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting flip side to above post:<br />
Few houses in the range of $500k&nbsp;are getting sold fast. If it is a clean house and investors material, they go under contract n the matter of few weeks.</p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 00:49:31 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another 6 months passed, recent observation:</p>
<p>A house (good area, 20 min from CBD) purchased in 2007 for 1.1Mil, valued at 2011 at 1.5Mill but did not sold in 2011. On the market again, trying to sell for 1.3Mil. No offers at this point in time. People are looking but noone willing to offer over 1Mil.<br />
So from 2007 till 2013 no price increase.</p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Brisbane market in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 06:57:42 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karley12 &#8211; Welcome to the propertyinvesting! Some fresh blood is always welcome.</p>
<p>First post and right on the hot&nbsp;topic&nbsp;of Perth market, supporting biggaz13 view? If I had so much luck today, I would go out and buy Gold Lotto ticket <img src="/wp-content/uploads/smileys/smile.gif?x75824" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" /></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Brisbane market in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 03:50:32 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the Brisbane, I find that rents are becoming increasingly difficult to increase over last 12 months. Boarding houses are now been flat on rent for 24 months, top end property ($1000pw) are stagnant. Only middle priced housing still can go up some 2-3% this year (assuming that it was priced correctly in 2012).</p>
<p>There seem to be inflow of&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-114080"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4409407-brisbane-market/#post-4691114" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Should I pay down loan on negative geared property in the forum Help Needed!</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2013 13:06:03 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the calculations, see what works for you. Different people have different goals.<br />
For me, aim of the game is income, so I would reduce the debt so it start to be positive and sink income back in to it accelerating&nbsp;repayment. &nbsp;<br />
Some &#039;try to stay&#039; as negative geared to reduce TAX on income. It&#039;s a choice they make, so strategy is different.<br />
Others&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-154460"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4408884-should-i-pay-down-loan-on-negative-geared-property/#post-4687776" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic October 09 Property Crash Begins in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:59:26 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine are:&nbsp;Hope for the best, plan for the worst!<br />
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:50:53 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been to the Auctions today.&nbsp;<br />
600K Property, 5Km from the CBD Brisbane. Mortgagee sale. Started at $600K,got to $635 with 3 people out of 30 active. One out of three was employee of the real estate agency (by my observation) who ended up with highest bet. No sale I guess.</p>
<p>1.5Mil property (reserve), about 6-8 buyers. No offers at 1Mil <img src="/wp-content/uploads/smileys/smile.gif?x75824" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" /> Passed&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-173"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/topic/property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/73/#post-4549515" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Positive or Negative? in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:45:28 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ xdrew</p>
<p>I will add to the above that with some creativity and bargaining you can get positive cashflow in areas of reasonable/good CG. Even more so lately, many vendors are discounting and some are under pressure.<br />
I am also big supporter of the idea of leaving some &#039;buffer&#039; as XDREW&nbsp;mentioned. Our calculations of risk include loss of main income&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-134609"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4408561-positive-or-negative/#post-4685063" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Positive or Negative? in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:18:21 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@&nbsp;The Freckle<br />
Funny how no one actually commented this. This is the ULTIMATE investment strategy. RE is a side dish where you sink some money just to give you some&nbsp;diversification. This is in case if you take Diversification as the Insurance against your ignorance (W. Baffet).<br />
Best is to invest what you are good at, not in RE, Gold, Shares,&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-134608"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4408561-positive-or-negative/#post-4685062" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bloodbath? in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:19:39 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gmh454 wrote:<br />
Very simplistic sensationalist view. Property is flat and will stay so for a while. Although continual building and renovation is improving the average of the&nbsp; stock, real movement if any, in recent years has been minimal. Factor inflation into the mix and it may have gone backwards in many areas.</p>
<p>The term bloodbath could apply to&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-65754"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4408463-property-bloodbath/#post-4684057" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic QLD property, take a loss or not? in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 01:36:10 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with&nbsp;JacM.&nbsp;<br />
Wynnum in Brisbane have more potential than Redcliff in this respect. It&#039;s on the water, plenty of infrastructure for Brisbane Port going up and you got JOBs.</p>
<p>That article on Redcliff&nbsp;makes me think of Gold Cost. Not enough industry to support population wages growth, so weak RE.</p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic QLD property, take a loss or not? in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:46:52 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like in above post, crunch the numbers and see what comes out. My approach would be to see if I can improve cashflow. Another one is to dump some cash in to the loan (assuming&nbsp;P+I loan) to place you on the brake-even point. From there onwards it will just keep on improving.<br />
I do not see Redcliff booming anytime soon. Anyone with money is looking&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-143924"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4408491-qld-property-take-a-loss-or-not/#post-4684262" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 03:10:06 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comment about US market.<br />
I was watching Los Angeles area, lower part of it some 2 hours from city.<br />
Over the last few years higher end properties have sank down a bit, but still fairly expensive. I was concentrating on 700K &#8211; 1.5Mil. I did not see any price crash in good areas near the water, same confirmed my a friend who live&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-171"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/topic/property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/73/#post-4549513" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 03:22:09 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capital city home values fall over consecutive years, down -3.8%in 2011 and -0.4% in 2012.</p>
<p>RP Data just released their end-of-year housing data for 2012 and it confirms what many &nbsp;already knew. 125bps over the last 12 months still hasn&rsquo;t been enough to get traction under the market and as we roll into the &ldquo;fiscally responsible&rdquo; new year 2013&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-168"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/topic/property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/73/#post-4549510" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Median Growth Question in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:34:34 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sanasar, based on your post I can see alot of academic education. You need to get out more, mix with agents, other investors and get a feel of the market. No book will teach you this. Do not get me wrong, I do read few as well <img src="/wp-content/uploads/smileys/smile.gif?x75824" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" /><br />
Basically, its like any other business, you try and see IF you can be good at it. Most will fail, very few will&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-3125"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4408332-median-growth-question/#post-4682959" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:48:01 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh boy, a holy grain question.<br />
From this point in time RE prices can:<br />
&#8211; rise<br />
&#8211; stagnate<br />
&#8211; drop<br />
Also, they can rise/drop by different amount as well as for different length of time.</p>
<p>Imagine number of possible outcomes? Now, multiply them by number of possible government interventions and major moves in world economy.</p>
<p>So, in real world any&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-166"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/topic/property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/73/#post-4549508" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 12:57:36 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel Kibel wrote:<br />
I think that in a down market also creates opportunities. I can see that a city like Brisbane is currently under valued.&nbsp;</p>
<p>I do not like boom markets its a little like being on the set of the walking dead. People over pay because they are worried about missing out. In a market like this if the deal works then in the medium&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-164"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/topic/property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/73/#post-4549506" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:25:23 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am actually on opposite side of the fence. We hire people, run manufacturing facility.<br />
Since 2008 we lost turnover, dismissed 25% of our staff. Our competition went&nbsp;of business (bust), our clients take 2 years to pay 60 day account.<br />
None the less, guys that work for us on $25-30/h carry new Iphones + Ipads + drive $30K+ cars. They also go&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-261044"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385726-property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/54/#post-4549503" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum To add one more variable to</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 00:57:18 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add one more variable&nbsp;to the discussion, consider that since GFC 2008, the age group 55-65 are also same people that had to stay in businesses to continue working. This is due to sudden drop of revenue and evaporating retirement&nbsp;savings plan in some cases knows as (SUPER fund losses).<br />
They are now have worked extra four years in business trying&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-191962"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385726-property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/54/#post-4549500" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 23:22:21 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The open house inspections I done over the last few weeks starting to look like &quot;Freckle&quot; scenario.<br />
Owners purchased in 2007 for $845K, trying to get $745K. Two couples on the open house.<br />
Owners listed property for $400K, few months later still there listed $365K. We are the only visitors at open house.</p>
<p>Had 2 open houses at same time, 11am. Both&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-261040"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385726-property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/54/#post-4549495" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property investing in australia in the forum ^</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:49:42 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^<br />
Good advice right there.</p>
<p>Sidenote, last inspections I made in Brisbane (last 4 weeks) looked sad. Agents look very lonely inside the big house. None is coming to have a look.&nbsp;<br />
Interestingly, 8 weeks ago, 50% of properties we made offer, already had offers.&nbsp;<br />
Market goes hot/cold in matter of weeks. First questions Agents now asking: Where do you&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-254262"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4408153-property-investing-in-australia-2/#post-4681562" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum Oh boy, this is an OLD thread</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:37:00 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh boy, this is an OLD thread.<br />
Let&#039;s throw some fun article in. <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/business/slump-looms-as-a-third-of-new-home-sales-abandoned-20121128-2ad95.html#ixzz2DWUbHb7d" rel="nofollow">Source</a></p>
<p><strong>Slump looms as a third of new home sales abandoned</strong></p>
<p>Melbourne&#039;s outer-suburban property market is facing a serious slump as distressed buyers and builders cancel one in every three new home purchases.<br />
The collapse in sales could have serious repercussions for the state economy&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-173859"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385726-property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/54/#post-4549494" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum OK, let's look at it from</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 00:02:15 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, let&#039;s look at it from other side:<br />
Say in Australia, if nothing dramatic happens and economy continue it&#039;s trajectory. As time moves forward, people/businesses&nbsp; gradually reduce debt (we are according to statistics already doing it in private sector). Government to reduce spending to match income, as already starting to happen.&nbsp; I cannot see&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-239738"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385726-property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/54/#post-4549489" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 08:01:51 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are few ways out actually. Most known is German Style (1946) aka hyperinflation. You can have controlled inflation and just let the time do the job.</p>
<p>Just thinking here, state is no different to private individual. How many ppl do you know that have debt 400% yearly wages?<br />
I know many who is at 800% of non business related debt! No one is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-261034"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385726-property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/54/#post-4549487" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum Now, if governments will</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 05:18:49 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, if governments will manage to to keep economy from going in to the recession, how many years it will take to clear/devalue/inflate our way out of this?<br />
I am thinking: are we up for some years of stagnation? Surely, further growth can only be sustained if debt levels significantly reduced.</p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum bardon wrote:simple wrote::)</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 04:16:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bardon wrote:</p>
<p>simple wrote:<br />
<img src="/wp-content/uploads/smileys/smile.gif?x75824" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" /><br />
A lot of dancing there, but we are not going anywhere!</p>
<p>So are you saying that there wont be a property bust and that there isn&#039;t worse to come?</p>
<p><img src="/wp-content/uploads/smileys/smile.gif?x75824" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" /><br />
There is definitely no crash happening here. Some pain out there, but no bust.<br />
It&#039;s 8 years in to this thread, prices still where we was in 2006. Went up/down and&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-153231"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385726-property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/53/#post-4549476" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic What a clever idea ! in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 04:59:13 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commercial buildings like hotels have water chillers on the roof. They call them Cooling Towers. Much more energy efficient, but consume water and require some advanced water chemistry control due to recycling water flowing in the machine.</p>
<p>They do not work in humid environments when humidity is high and evaporation do not take place.</p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic CF+ properties and income - how much is enough? in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:21:52 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s nice when you can do that. Some time you can get a steal. Not many are around.</p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic CF+ properties and income - how much is enough? in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:17:11 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy within 25 min drive from Brisbane city. I do not go to bad suburbs as well.</p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum :)</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:48:46 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="/wp-content/uploads/smileys/smile.gif?x75824" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" /><br />
A lot of dancing there, but we are not going anywhere!</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:47:48 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see. What services you/your company provide?<br />
We are in water treatment/distribution segment.</p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic CF+ properties and income - how much is enough? in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:40:24 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found that RE return above 9% makes it feasible to purchase and hold. At this level, property just above brake even (mid therm, 12 months to 5 years).<br />
Once I find one, all other aspects considered, including mid/very long therm.</p>
<p>As per original question, $20 PW or $100PR is irrelevant. It&#039;s depending on size of the investment and the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-17203"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4407789-cf-properties-and-income-how-much-is-enough/#post-4678763" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum [/quote]</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 22:59:13 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came back from Qatar after spending another week there. Unless it tickle your fancy, it&#039;s is not a pleasant place to leave. In the way, that lifestatyle is very different. I am not talking about 38C winter temperatures but outside world instead. All life is really indoors. Go out, and its sand and concrete.<br />
On the positive note, crime is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-161926"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385726-property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/53/#post-4549470" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Property bust not here yet ... worse to come in the forum I travel a bit due to work</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 11:36:19 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I travel a bit due to work/business.&nbsp;<br />
Generally speaking Australia&#039;s RE is still doing it OK.<br />
Dubai, RE prices doubled over last two years (again), after drop out in 2008.<br />
Qatar, RE very strong, but you cannot buy it. Only rent.<br />
China, RE vend slightly down, then up and now flat. That is over last 2 years.<br />
Malaysia, RE stagnated at very high price&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-177294"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4385726-property-bust-not-here-yet-worse-to-come/page/53/#post-4549467" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 10:52:44 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monthly Bump.<br />
Still waiting for a crash, which now looks like more a soft landing in the swamp <img src="/wp-content/uploads/smileys/smile.gif?x75824" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" /></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Positive Cash Flow Property in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:13:49 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess, one can summarize: <strong>The SKILL defines the strategy</strong></p>
<p>If you are good in one or another, you will make money there regardless.&nbsp;</p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Positive Cash Flow Property in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:28:36 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catalyst, interesting topic you have touched.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Based on your reply, your focus in Capital Gain. Let&#039;s compare it to Cash Flow:</p>
<p>CG for:<br />
Can be very large over very short time<br />
50% TAX discount<br />
Holding cost insignificant over the return<br />
Short to mid term stategy</p>
<p>CG against:<br />
Can generate very large losses (volatile)<br />
Generate no weekly income, must&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-24347"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4407400-positive-cash-flow-property-3/#post-4675805" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>simple replied to the topic Recovery from 2012 onwards  in the forum General Property</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:42:26 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freckle VS bardon <img src="/wp-content/uploads/smileys/smile.gif?x75824" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" /><br />
Guys for outside observer, I think you are talking apples to oranges <img src="/wp-content/uploads/smileys/smile.gif?x75824" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" /><br />
Freckle is focused on short term probability while bardon on mid to long term.</p>
<p>I actually agree with both <img src="/wp-content/uploads/smileys/smile.gif?x75824" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" /> While we may have fallout/recession/depression/what have you induced by primary or secondary factors, mid/long term Australia is still going to be&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-202733"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4407228-recovery-from-2012-onwards/page/2/#post-4674433" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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