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    Great information Wardy and very true…

    Developing takes many years to get the neccesary skills to understand the total foundation to complete a successful project.
    As Wardy also said be careful of all the generic books out there and take them for what they are, a broad overview. They do give you a base understanding which all helps but most of the skills are learnt on the job.  I learnt the hard way after ending up in the Planning & Environment Court fighting for an approval which had 95% backing of the Community and still getting knocked back because of certain "non competitive" reasons by Local Govt (it's great to have mates in the right places type scenario). I ended up spending a lot of extra money on something that I thought was a shoe in. In the end I did mediate with Local Govt and come to an agreed approval after an extra18 months and couple hundred thousand $$$

    Although times are a bit quieter at the moment and Councils are happy to approve more projects without the typical red tape to keep the economy turning, I would still suggest after covering all bases with a Town Planner and getting his full support on the project, that you allow monies for fighting for your project in the Courts.  As you can see from my experience you just never know.  * One important point also, make sure there is sufficient community "need"  for such a project, that can be easily proved and fought for. This will be the only way that you can win in the Courts should you come up against a Local Govt with the before mentioned type attitude

    On the subject of the development process you can always employ suitably qualified professionals along the way to help coordinate the approval process. Architects and Engineers can do this but are usually at the higher end dollar wise but you can always negotiate a price in these quieter times. I coordinate my projects myself now but in the past did it with the help of a trusted Town Planner ( one who knows the local area well and all that is happening development wise in that area as well as who's who in the game will certainly be beneficial ).  A Town Planner is usually quite a lot less than the previously mentioned professionals to hire and knows the whole process.

    Once all that is done and you have your DA (development approval), BA (building approval showing complete construction materials and final layout) and then Operational Works Approval (for all earth works and services), you will still have 2 important phases to complete.

    1. – Off the plan sales and marketing, then following up through to handover of keys. ( Can be done by a trusted R/Estate Agent/Agency after full Contracts and Disclosure statements have been drafted by a qualified Solicitor)

     2. -Then the construction phase. ( Can be done by a suitably qualified Builder or through a good Project Manager with a proven track record who for a fee usually 5% of total build can direct the whole construction process )…………

    Kaleidoscoppess an Accountant can certainly setup your preferred entity for you, Company/Trust etc .  Depending on how in depth you want the structure to be you can set one up yourself.  A good site to check is Shelco an online Company registration website. A basic Company can be setup from as little as $1500 last time I checked, it might be a little more now.

    Finance.. I am in the process of obtaining finance for a smaller project due to the current economic conditions of about $9mil and I can tell you first hand the Banks are really tight with their lending criteria at the moment and changing daily.  They are wanting the project to show a return of min 30% and as much as 80% pre-sales depending on location and experience. They will also want extra security or Director's guarantees.  Private equity is around but hard to find and they are only interested in exceptional returns or joint venture as they see the current market as very risky. My advice at this stage is if it doesn't stack up with a major lender then be very wary and make sure your due diligence and feasibility is bulletproof and be aware to allow for many variables that are not all covered in the books you read. Also note that a few of the Developer/Authors out there at the moment have gone bust during these recent times not all by bad management mind you but because of the worst global recession since the "Great Depression" and may have ulterior motives to build back up their cashflows by selling information that got them into that trouble in the first place.

    Just to finish off, sorry for rambling I don't usually post on forums either as finding the time to do so is hard.  But after reading what Wardy posted I also agree there is alot more to know with the development game and many pitfalls to be aware of.  I thought that if I share my experiences with you and help save you money, whether it be $1000 or $1mill it all adds up.

    I hope after all of that I have helped educate and not frightened you totally as you can see by my signature the entreprenuerial drive and "Have a Go" attitude is what has got me to where I am today.

    I will soon be embarking on my biggest project to date.  A large fully approved Seniors Housing Development of more than $100mil which has taken me quite sometime to get to this stage but will be marketing in the not to distant future.

    Best of luck to you all!!
    N.U.R.V

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    Hey Addy I have sent you a p.m.

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    Hi Murtuza

    I'm not sure exactly how the Logan City Council works but to be honest it is harder to get a commercial zoned parcel of land than standard res.  So you would be better off leaving it commercial and find out what commercial facilities are lacking in the immediate area.  A good way to start would be to employ the services of a good town planner that knows that area and ask his advice and maybe get him to see the Council on your behalf to find out what they would be keen to see in the area.  Depending on what is already there, a small shopping centre, childcare centre, motel or tavern are all good money spinners.  Once you have an approval in place for one of these Developers will pay good money for it.

    Being commercial you can build with the highest density possible and usually building heights are greater as well.  Or you could look at doing as you said town houses, which with commercial zoning you would have a density of the max possible.  I'm going on my local area in Central Qld but R3 zoning is 350 persons per hectare so your parcel of 8000m2 would give you 280 persons.  The density of a 2 bedroom townhouse is 3 persons, so you could build 93 townhouses.  Or quite easily sell the approval for between $40,000 and $50,000 per approved site again depending on the area.  We are getting upto $80,000 a site  where I live for non seaview approved sites and upto $140,000 for seaview approved sites. 

    The first thing to do though would be to talk to a good town planner in the area.
    I hope this helps.
    Cheers

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    Hi Millions
    Mate I think it said I could survive until about 2025 and I can't remember what the 8000+wealth score gave me. That was worked out on a $100,000 income as well, which could quite easily come down to $60,000 a year to survive.  I'm only 29 though so I still have a ways to go working on the assumption that I might live to 80+.  Thinking about it maybe I could retire totally from having to work, but what do you have to live for then.  Family and friends yeh, but there also has to be more of a purpose to life.  For me it is about the challenge and the outcome.  I am a little bit worried now about the outcome of the election though.  I'm not so sure now whether this boom will continue or not.  I suppose as long as you follow the rule of making money from property when you buy (getting it at the right price that is) and value add if you wish, then the money you make when you sell the property is just a bonus.  So if and when the market softens anymore you should still be ok.
    cheers

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    Hi Everyone, great tool Steve.  I scored 6573 and when my next DA gets approved in about 6 months it will go to well above 8000.  I'm 29 and I'm proud to say that I have reached my hard earned short term goals before the age of 30. If I could give one piece of advice to budding property gurus.  "Knowledge is power and the more knowledge you have about something means that will you minimise the risk involved". Always remember that anything is possible and it is never to late.  So whether you have scored minus in your wealth score or are well on your way, don't give up.  Learn as much as you can from people who are positive and have done it and don't listen to, or take bad advice from negative people.

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    Hi Giulio

    Nordicskier and Alistair are both right in what they are saying with processes and so forth. I’m not sure what State you are in but in QLD there are quite a few concurrent agencies that you have to deal with depending on where your land is situated, such as NRM, EPA, Main Roads, GBRMPA etc. Each of these agencies has a certain time frame to respond to your request as well and an extension period which most of them use. 10 months though is quite a long time not to know anything especially on something as straight forward as adding a unit(depending on if your current zoning allows it) As Nordicskier said try to organise a meeting with one of the Council Officers(Planners)and find out exactly where your application is at. If you haven’t even gone to the Public notification stage yet then you are still in for quite a few months until a final decision. Once you advertise Public notification depending if any concurrent agencies are involved you will need to have your signs up from 15 business to 28 business. Then the Council has another 20 days to peruse all the objections and if needed extend for another 20 days and then get back to you usually with another information request asking you to answer the objections if any. The application will then go back to the Council Officers who will either reccommend it for approval or refusal. They however don’t have the final say, and then depending on how back logged they are with other applications you may have to wait for another couple of months before having a chance to be voted on in Council. (It is never a good idea to put Council off side until after this stage) Then you will get your decision, hopefully it is for approval, if not then you have a chance to appeal through the Land and Environment Court, which unless your project is worth quite a bit to you, you might be better off to forget about it as it can cost quite a few dollars to fight with specialised Lawyers.

    Also to quote Alistair “don’t expect professional advice from an architect when it comes to town planning (some are very knowledgable in this area but most aren’t), get a town planning consultant.”

    Hopefully this will be of some assistance to you.

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