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    Who or what is the UCCC?


    Hi Kirby,

    UCCC stands for the Uniform Consumer Credit Code. It deals with finance predominantly for individuals or strata corporations who obtain the finance for personal domestic or household use, with the term of the finance arrangement being more than 62 days.

    Happy investing [:)][:)]

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    Nathan.

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    Hi Quasi,

    As Paul mentioned, this is a requirement! You may want to send out a statement every 3 months, as the UCCC requires one atleast every 6 months. If you send one every 3 months and there is a problem with a statement then it gives you time to correct it within the 6 month period. If you send one only every 6 months there is no room for error.

    Cheers, [:)][:)]

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    Hi Jumbo,

    Mortgage insurance is payable on deals where you have 20% or less equity in the deal (aside from a few specialised lenders/ products).

    What ANZ would have done is cross collaterilised your two loans. ie both properties are joint secutities for both loans. This escapes you paying LMI on the second loan as the overall equity of the two properties is greater than 20%. ANZ also allow for capitilisation of LMI if needed.

    When people on the forum talk about putting 20% down they either have sufficient cash reserves to do it/ are working with an investor or are drawing funds from an available line of credit etc.

    There a advantages to having your properties stand alone – easier if you need to sell one etc, and also if you are wrapping properties you want them as stand alone for obvious reasons.

    Happy investing,

    Nathan.

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    Hi Steve,

    I would hazard a guess that from the numbers that you have presented that:

    1) Inflation is a significant portion of the increase in property prices over the last 20 years.

    2) If you bought and held a property in the last 20 years you would be most happy with its performance if it was located in a) Melbourne b) Canberra and c) Brisbane. Or a) Melbourne b) Brisbane c) Sydney when inflation is considered.

    3) If you are relying on capital gains as a method of wealth creation, you would want a lot of patience; and would be better off sticking to the share market over a 20 yr period.

    4) There is a substantial difference between the rate of growth between the capital cities. It would be interesting to model which factors have contributed to the increase in property prices over the last 20 years, and why Melbourne has outperformed the rest of the country. Also whether these factors can assist with property investment decisions in the future (positive cash flow buy and holds etc).

    5) Positive cashflow is a much better way to build wealth than relying only on capital gains.

    Cheers,

    Nathan.

    “Wrapping is a investment joy not a musical one”

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    Hi all,

    We want to get the ball rolling. We have spoken with accontants who think it is a good idea. We are looking at long term investment. What areas should we look at. Should we buy units or houses ?
    Any advise would be great


    Hi Rick,

    It is hard to answer a question as broad as yours.
    What exactly is the ‘it’ that is a good idea?

    From the information that you have provided, I can tell you that you have a lot of equity in your home that you can use for property investment. You may want to have a chat to you current financial institution to find out how much you can borrow.

    Beyond that, i would be looking to educate myself on property investing techniques or niches. It appears that you are looking for a long term strategy, so buy and holds and wraps are two that come to mind for me. You need to find your own niche and be comfortable with it. This will also clarify what types of properties you should be looking at, and where they will be located.

    Money secrets of the Rich by John Burley has been suggested reading by others on this forum, and I would second that. You may also like to search this forum for buy and hold and wrap information. I haven’t purchased fasttrack by Steve McKnight (but have purchased some of his other material which is high quality) but it appears to be a very compeditively priced product that will give you food for thought; and an introduction to ‘property investment’

    As they say, every journey begins with a single step.

    happy investing

    Cheers,

    Nathan.

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    Hi just wondering how most of you make the offers on a lot of houses do you go and inspect all of them and then make offers or do you send out a heap and if any come back accepting then inspect the house.

    Thanks Rob[8D]


    Hi Bob,

    I used to make heaps of offers and hope that I got one or two accepted (following the advice of some American literature). This tended to anoy the real estate agents, and they did not want to work with me in the future.

    Now I actively try to build team relationships with real estate agents, and tell them what I am looking for. This allows me to leverage my time and create happy outcomes for all. I would also suggest you become familiar with the ‘fair middle ground’ negotiation strategy that Steve uses. It is featured in ‘property secrets’ – well worth the investment.

    Cheers, and happy investing

    Nathan.

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    it is my understanding that once stamp duty is paid on a loan if you have it refinanced you are not liable for stamp duty a second time


    Hi the B,

    The awnser is yes and no! It all depends on the way your refinance is handled. This is usually in the hands of the solicitors of the new institution. Some of them will ‘transfer’ the stamp duty to the new mortgage, while others do not, leaving you to pay it a second time.

    Make sure that you ask this of your financier when considering a refinance. Good financiers will arrange the discount for you[:)][;)].

    Happy borrowing & investing!

    Cheers,

    Nathan.

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    Everyone talks about refinancing when buying another property.
    What is the advantage over refinance as opposed to obtaining a 2nd mortgage? I thought a second mortgage would be better as it does not increase your loan repayments – only obtains additional equity as security for deposit. OR Am I missing something altogether?


    Hi Essykay,

    To the best of my knowlege, there are 3 traditional methods (not including creative financing) to access equity in one property in order to leverage into another property.

    1) Refinance – which you have mentioned. Useful if your origional institution is not compeditive in a relative sense, or cannot provide the type of product you need. It can also be useful for cross-linking of properties etc.

    2) An additional loan (or top up) Usually less costly than a refiance, as you are just adding to your loan & not creating a new one.

    3) A second mortgage- not usually the preferred choice as interest rates are not usually as compeditive as a first mortgage.

    By accessing the equity in your property, you are borrowing more against it, and hence there will be associated payments with the extra borrowings.

    Depending on your needs/ strategies/ position each of these are viable alternatives, but if you are borrowing money you have to service the debt in some way. If you have found a way around this I would be very interested.

    Cheers,

    Nathan[:)]

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    Hi Geoff,
    Unfortunetly no magic formula exists for valuations! I suppose valuers still like to eyeball the changes that have been made to the property, so see how well the kitchen has been done up!
    cheers,

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    Thanks very much for you post Steve, your prompt has given me the awnser I was looking for.[:)][:)]

    Cheers,

    Nathan.

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    How is it possible to obtain information on how valuations are determined? I am interested in what valuers determine builds equity in a home. Is there a tick sheet that determines the valuation of a property?


    Hi Pynecone,

    I talk to a lot of valuers, improvements to kitchens, bathrooms, decks and garages tend to be at the top of the list. Of course major structural cahnges such as adding an extra room will add value if they are done well.

    They will also refer to what they call comparitive sales (recent sales of similar properties in the area) to determine whether yours is superior/ inferior to those comparitive sales, and determine value that way.

    Features that will decrease value can be specialised properties eg you have built a house which looks like an Evlis monument (don’t laugh it has been done!). Also the zoning of the property. Eg an old shop front that has been converted into a house but the zoning is not residential.

    Hope this help a little.

    Cheers

    Nathan.

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    how does this affect the Vendors tax position wrt CGT etc etc ??

    the Bruce[8D]

    Hi Bruce,

    In the same way that stamp duty is calculated on the contract price, so would CGT i expect, this may or may not be an issue for the vendor. (Their own structuring motivation level etc) It may also provide an oportunity to hone the purchasers creative negotiation skills.

    9 times out of 10 I have seen this tactic used where the vendor is selling his principal place of residence, and hence no CGT to think about (in general).

    cheers,

    Nathan

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    Thanks for that Steve, sounds like a great investment – you would really have to do your reasearch though!![:D]

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    Anyway, I think my post came across from the wrong angle. It was supposed to be a round about way of saying ‘do the banks care where the 10% deposit goes/comes from?’ ie: if you can negotiate with the vendor to ‘forgive’ or ‘refund’ your 10% deposit will the banks care if you have none of your own money in the deal if it still meets their lending criteria?

    Hi Leigh

    At the 10% deposit level, it will depend on whether the mortgage insurer goes for it or not. Under full disclosure conditions and with a full market valuation that comes up to scratch, this has been done. You will have a better chance of success the larger your deposit, and therefore the lesser the risk for the institution. It will also depend on the other strengths of the finance application (your asset position, length and stability of your income etc).

    On a slightly different note, I have seen many loans approved where there is full disclosure of the property in question being purchased under market price with the reason being explained (and to the satisfaction of the lender), with a letter from the vendor to the purchaser saying something like “I am selling this property to the purchaser at x amount. Any value above this price is a non-refundable gift to the purchaser”. The contract to purchase the property is then drawn up a x amount plus 20% for example. This is explained to the lender, and when the lender instructs the full valuation the true market value is used, and it should match the contract price.

    The purchaser will have to pay stamp duty on the market valuation price (which is also the contract price), not what he/she is actually paying for it.

    At settlement the purchaser only pays x amount to the vendor, and has 20% euity in the property. The purchaser will still have to cover purchase costs.

    Cheers,

    Nathan.[:)]

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    Hi Ziz,

    The ‘all moneys clause’ is a common clause most lending institutions use to secure the debt they have with you. For example, if you have a credit card and house loan with the same institution, and you are delinquent on your credit card repayments and up to date on your home loan payments, the institution can call in all moneys owed to them, and thereby access your security (house) for the house loan due to the default on your credit card payment, even though your house repayments are in order. The same applies if you have five house loans with an institution and one goes bad.

    I am currently using investors, and want to secure their and my investment when looking at the worst case scenario. Would not like to see a portfolio of property come under danger if one of the financed ventures fails with that institution.

    Just looking at all worst case scenarios before pushing forward.

    Thanks for your response.

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    Hi Bella,

    I like to think about using all my resources the best way I can until a better opportunity comes up. One of your stragieies seemed to be paying down your mortgage until it would be positively geared when you rent it out.

    Steve uses the 11 second rule as part of selecting properties which are suitable, and give a good return on investment. If you have to use too many of your scarce resources to make a property positively geared then it may stop you achieving your goals as quickly as you could.

    In your current situation, you have money that is not returning a great investment. So putting it on your mortgage would be a step up. Whether it is the best step you can take is another question. You mentioned that you do have redraw and can pay extra in lump sums. Check to see if there are any charges on paying those lump sums in, but also check if there are any penalties for the redrawing of those funds when you need them.

    You also need to know what sort of time frame you are working with for further investments. A lump sum placed on your mortgage may be a good idea for a time frame of 6 months, but may not be such a good idea if there are fees involved, and you are working with a short time frame.

    Happy investing[:)][:)]
    Nathan

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    Hi Belladonna,
    Received the latest edition of insider, and it has inspired me to have a better look at your post.

    There have been some great responses so far, but hope my two cents worth can help you out. The fixed vs variable option is an interesting one. I have had a look the rates that are offered by the banks on fixed term facilities, and have not found one that beats on line providers such as ING (currently at 4.75%) with no fees and the flexibility to access your money whenever you need it.

    Having said that, since your property is currently owner occupied (an hence debt associated with it is non-deductable), then a good strategy would be to reduce your debt as quickly as possible. A better strategy would be to find an investment that returns you more after tax effects, than what your current mortgage is costing you in interest. This is a good benchmark to use when deciding whether to take up the investment oportunity. Also look at the risk involved in a competing investment oportunity – usually there is a trade off between risk and return. This is not always the case (e.g wraps)

    Have a look at your current mortgage facility to see if it offers you the ability to pay extra into your loan without excessive expense. Steve talks about a mortgage offset; other mortgages allow for extra repayments directly off the principal borrowed. Most of these mortgages allow you to redraw those extra payments when you need them.

    In terms of qualifying for the next property, you may find that you have enough savings/ equity in your current property and enough income to do this already. This might be worth further investigation to find out where you stand.

    You mentioned negative gearing in your post. Now is probably a good time to broaden your horizons on the differnent types of property investment techniques available, and find one that suits you.

    Once you are clear on how you want to invest, and you have defined your own niche you can plan your legal and taxation srtucture around it.

    Good luck in your future investments!!!

    Nathan M 0412 253 456

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