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    Forgot to ask… I was trying to solve the missing 25% problem, and make it an IP from the start. Is there anything preventing me getting the extra 25% by using the savings as security for a personal loan?

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    You will pay all 3 but the seller will reimburse you for the discharge of their mortgage.

    Glad the government keeps things nice and simple. I was going to ask what’s the point, but that’s just as pointless – LOL.

    Thanks.

    Is anyone aware of a website that lists ALL the costs in buying a (NSW) residential property? Just when I think I’ve covered every expense (in a spreadsheet), I find another site that mentions another expense. And because they don’t call things the same name, I’m never sure if I’ve got everything – or – if I have the same thing listed more than once.

    Here’s my current list of NSW costs to buy a home:

    Property Price
    Deposit Saved
    Stamp Duty (OSR)
    Mortgage Registration
    Discharge Registration
    Registration Transfer
    Conveyancing
    Bank Loan Application Fee
    Pest & Building Inspection (are these done by the same person?)
    Lenders Mortgage Insurance
    Personal Mortgage Insurance
    Bank Document Preparation Fee
    Bank Valuation Fee
    Title Insurance
    Vendor Council & Water Rates (to vendor as a refund apparently!?)
    Buyer Council & Water Rates (ongoing after settlement)
    Legal Searches & Inquiries
    Building & Contents Insurance

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    Profile photo of JustAllanJustAllan
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    I know of a guy who purchased a block of land along a highway, planning to build a petrol station/restaurant – based on a backroom handshake with council – regarding future development of the area. With $$$ in his eyes he purchased the land dirt cheap from a farmer, then waited. When development plans for the area were released, the off ramp from the future required new bridge, would rejoin the highway AFTER his block – thus reducing expected customers to a fraction of original expectations.

    I’d want the subdivision signed off on before doing anything else. Who knows what council might change their mind about tomorrow.

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    How do we still qualify for benefits?  Beyond me.  All I do know is, they assume you're earning x% (I think it's something like 4%) on any assets.  Centrelink then deducts 50 cents for every dollar they estimate you're earning – whether you are earning anything or not.  Payments continue to reduce until above a certain level of assets you get zero.  BUT – if you buy a $2M PPoR – you suddenly qualify for full payments again, because your PPoR is not considered an asset!

    But as for people being infuriated – hey, I didn't make the rules.  I get infuriated myself sometimes.  But would people rather I do as they think many on Centrelink do – blow it on ciggies, pokies, beer, drugs?  Or would they rather what I do do…  Save every spare cent, chase the best interest rate, look for investing opportunities – in order to get OFF Centrelink forever.

    What does infuriate me is, the first group are derrided as bludgers (perhaps rightly so, but really, who knows) and told they should do this or that to get off benefits.  But when someone finally does try and follow that very advice, they're still wrong.

    Let me put it another way.  I'll gladly trade my poor health, Centrelink benefits and even my $300k , for the life others have.  In fact – you can have most of my wage too.  I'd love a boring 5.5 days a week rat-race life, as long as I got to kick a ball, or play "horseys" with my kids on Sunday.  Our eldest is 16.  I got to do those things with him a few times.  The youngest is aged 4, with whom I may never.

    Sorry if this was not the spirit you intended.

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    I wasn't even aware of that – thank you.

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    We have indeed.  But there's two obstacles.  First, after costs, stamp duty, etc., we'll only have about $287,000 remaining.  There's mostly only hovels here for that price.  The second problem is time.  Several RE agents told us they'd "definitely be able to help us."  We asked them to be brutely honest – and they weren't.  Now we have a week remaining, and of course, not many settlements can go through in that time anyway.  It seems our only option for the time being is to purchase a caravan and head to a holiday park.  :-|

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    We really don't know what their problem is.  We are on Centrelink benefits, but we're far from the stereotype.  (We have ~$300,000 in savings, which they know because it's one of the documents we use to provide identity points.)

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    Thanks… I have suggested that very thing to him. I’m trying to look into other options, in case he feels things are getting more complicated than he’d like.

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    Hi Richard. I think you might have hit the nail on the head. (When you mentioned minimum loan amount, I think that may be the reason they can’t get a loan with a standard lender.) Also, I’m not sure – but it’s possible they are repaying a loan on the church building. With that in mind, I have two questions for you:

    1. If there IS a current loan on the church, and they refinanced, could they add the block to the loan to increase the loan above the minimum amount… would that make a difference?

    2. Are YOU (or can anyone recommend someone) not in the Newcastle area, but still willing to help?

    Profile photo of JustAllanJustAllan
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    Ok, I have been emailed privately about this. Basic criteria is you need to be an Australian citizen, not completed a Certificate IV (or higher) in the past (only allowed one exemption by gov. it seems), employed full time, and your employer agrees you may do the course (as they are involved in the scheduling and payment process).

    I hope it was ok to post this, as I want to save other folks’ time in replying, thinking it hadn’t been answered.

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    Just read your price limit again… Have you considered the Central Coast, Port Stephens (I’m mainly thinking of Raymond Terrace), or possibly even Port Macquarie if you can get a bargain. Also Old Bar.

    For example, Raymond Terrace has two Woolworths 3 minutes walk apart. A BigW, Aldi, RTA, ten pin bowling, public pool, new police station, Dan Murphy’s, Dominos, Eagle Boys, three (I think) high schools… There is an unhealthy dose of Housing Commission again, but you just avoid those pockets. i.e. Avoid all streets that run off Philip Road and Watt Street, also Clyde Circuit which is kind of off on it’s own. Also avoid Brown Street and the few streets that run off the end of it like Anne St – and avoid anything around the separate area of Wahroongha Street – there’s a bunch of new public housing built at the back of that circular area…

    Lakeside just east of Raymond Terrace is mostly all modern brick homes too. There’s a couple of 2bd units in Lakeside that have been on the market for ages around $150-170k. I don’t know why they haven’t sold – there’s far worse areas to buy IMHO and virtually no maintenance. (Unless they just SEEM to be the same ones for sale.) It’s near the pool/tenpin/sport centre.

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    Yes – Aberglasslyn – that’s what I meant by Rutherford. I always forget it has a different name, because Aberglasslyn was once just a few farms and a dirt road. McKeachies run is new as well, but seems a little more expensive than Aberglasslyn. (Although I haven’t looked in detail. It’s just a personal conclusion drawn from the daily listings that turn up in my email.)

    Someone mentioned redeveloping…

    1. Windale is cheap, but as I mentioned the reason is because it’s mostly government or ex-gov housing stock. So the other homes “hold back” any value gains. The exception to this would be something like the TWO homes I nearly purchased, right next to each other. I think they were about $160,000 each and I was considering living in one, renovating it, while I rented out the second. Then move into the other and do the same. In that situation, having two better-quality homes right next to each other *might* have dragged up the value of both. But of course, that opportunity is not going to turn up every day.

    2. Newcastle (Lambton, Waratah, Mayfield, Kotara, etc.) property (that needs renovating) is often already priced as if it has been renovated! So not much scope to increase value. If you pick your suburbs and then have RE agents notify you of new listings, you might have better luck though. (I only get to see new daily email listings from domain and realestate.com.au.)

    I think property in this area is priced at ridiculous levels. But someone else not so pessimistic, may find a way to turn a good profit.

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    The area south of Charlestown (Windale) has a large proportion of government housing tenants. The NSW Gov. has been selling them off for several years, but the area will take decades (if ever) to improve. i.e. If your neighbour is a drug-using, wife-slugging, foul mouth with a dog that never shuts up, children that always have swinging full nappies, that never wash their car, themselves, or mow their lawn… then even private owners/renters begin to to think, “What’s the point in taking care of the property I own/rent!?”

    I read an article online a few years ago, that said something like Windale was the highest crime/drug/low income area – or a combination of all three… I forget exactly now. But just stand outside Windale shops any day of the week and note the number of druggies, no-hopers and people with mental problems that pass by.

    The main difficulty I see in buying there is, you’d mainly get tenants who have been ousted out of their NSW Housing property. They can’t afford higher rent, and most of their “friends” live in that area. Most other folks avoid living there if they can. So it kind of perpetuates the quality of renter, and of course that stagnates rents, capital gain, etc. I certainly wouldn’t be counting on land banking in that area… but someone has to raise the bar some day I guess. May as well be you? ;-)

    Gateshead is better. Probably a little more so too, since they split the two suburbs with the bypass. Keep in mind though, it’s just up the road from Windale, and many homes are built in the same 50s/60s style. (Although more do have weatherboards, rather than the typical government slum two-sheet asbestos cladding.) I’d be concerned that most Windale addicts know the people in their own suburb are home 24/7 on welfare – so they’ll go “shopping” to support their habit just outside of their own suburb. I do know a guy that lives in Gateshead though, and he reckons neighbours watch out for each other and everyone knows everyone.

    When I was in school in the 80s, Gateshead High had one of the worst reputations of any school in Newcastle. (Yes, I’m biased. I’ve lived in the area forever.)

    Adamstown/Charlestown… Property older stock again like Gateshead/Windale. (No new land that can be released, unlike Rutherford.) High (ridiculous in MHO) prices, but mostly employed city workers looking to live there.

    Rutherford… Not impressed with how they’re destroyin… er… developing – farming land in the area. But there’s no comparison with Windale/Gateshead. Mostly new homes on the eastern side of the highway. So yes, plenty of opportunity for depreciation. No, not near the beach, but lots of industrial and residential development in the area. Just be sure not to buy at the lowest point. i.e. Take a drive past Maitland hospital (so it’s on your left) and bear left over the old bridge. That huge valley beneath the bridge was flooded nearly to the top a couple of years ago, and wasn’t all that far from reaching the bridge. It subsides quickly once the rain ceases though.

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    Oh – and reading my question again, I realised someone may take me the wrong way…  I wouldn't be subdividing the block…  Just putting up a temporary fence.  Maybe it would turn out I'd only be there one, or two, years.  But if I *could* last four years, I'd certainly be way ahead.

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    Thanks for the reply.  I did ask local council years ago and I think they said as long as no-one complains, they couldn't care less.  But yes, will have to check again if it's still the same.

    I was thinking more of the lender or insurance company though…  If they would have any problem with it that I cannot come up with.

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    Well, maybe it takes months in some places, but I'm in the Newcastle area – and I can tell you for certain – I see many properties (that are correctly priced, and not burnt-out ex-government housing stock), often sell within TWO WEEKS of listing.  In fact, one property I saw in the last few weeks sold for a few thousand more than the advertised price, because it had more than one buyer fighting over it.  (Usually you expect them to sell for slightly less than the listed price, when they're not giving a price "range".)

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    Casper_1000 wrote:
    If you don't need your money for a period of time then consider a term deposit as they usually have better rates than a savings account. Take a look at Ubank which is part of the NAB group and also Suncorp which offer a negotiated rate for amounts over 100K.

    Hi again…  I looked up term deposits at the two places suggested.

    http://www.ubank.com.au is offering:

    3 months – 5.95% p.a.
    6 months – 5.65% p.a.
    9 months – 4.71% p.a.
    12 months – 4.61% p.a.

    …and http://www.suncorp.com.au :

    3 months – 5.65% p.a.
    6 months – 3.60% p.a.
    9 months – 3.60% p.a.
    12 months – 4.55% p.a.

    Unless my math is *really* bad… ;-)…  aren't these less than Arab bank's 7.25%?

    I guess I'm just wondering about the comment "usually have better rates".  This is why I've never understood why people would use term deposits.  Especially since most online savings accounts calculate interest daily and pay monthly (thus compounding – earning interest on interest)…  Whereas term deposits seem to pay only once at the end of the term.

    So is there something simple I'm missing here?

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    Linar wrote:
    I know several property investors/developers who are always looking to borrow money and will pay around 15%.

    Someone in the forums has contaced me in the past about something similar.  (Could even have been yourself.)  I'm afraid I'm risk adverse, and the info was a little too thin to round out my understanding.  I'll still consider though, thanks.

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    Casper_1000 wrote:
    Arab Bank certainly are offering a very high rate considering the RBA cash rate is currently 4.25%.

     

    Makes you wonder, doesn't it?  There's many giving interest rates above the RBA CR.  We're currently with BankWest.  Our special 12-month introductory interest rate ended last month – but they're still giving us 5.5%.

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    If you don't need your money for a period of time then consider a term deposit as they usually have better rates than a savings account. Take a look at Ubank which is part of the NAB group and also Suncorp which offer a negotiated rate for amounts over 100K.

    I have glanced at term deposits in the past, but they always seem a few % lower.  (The ones I find anyway!)  I'll have a look at the ones you mentioned though – thanks!

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    Qlds007 wrote:
    Allan do you havd a home loan yourself ?

    Not currently, Richard.  We're deciding if to buy our first PPoR, or invest.  We do plan to pack up and take an extended holiday (possibly 3 months or more).  So I'm looking to earn the best interest we can during that time.

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