PropertyInvesting.com | jars11 | Activity https://www.propertyinvesting.com/members/jars11/activity/ Activity feed for jars11. Sat, 11 Apr 2026 20:50:31 +0000 https://buddypress.org/?v=2.8.1 en-US 30 hourly 2 da2a6804c7e5fdf5da15817d1f5d846c jars11 replied to the topic any good, honest, reasonably priced property managers for Bentley , Perth/ in the forum Help Needed! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4407072-any-good-honest-reasonably-priced-property-managers-for-bentley-perth/#post-4673368 Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:01:48 +0000 AllI met Jarod today at the property. Definitely worth a recommendation.CheersJars

]]> 29f0cc823ad01fb5efef42c5b5ac8989 jars11 replied to the topic any good, honest, reasonably priced property managers for Bentley , Perth/ in the forum Help Needed! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4407072-any-good-honest-reasonably-priced-property-managers-for-bentley-perth/#post-4673367 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:15:26 +0000 Marie123, thats where I am now with this exact same issue. May I also use this?ThanksJars

]]> 96e54878de8ce8bd0da2fefb1f610e00 jars11 replied to the topic First bussiness to be sold at a loss!! in the forum Hi thereIm back on this https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4407004-first-bussiness-to-be-sold-at-a-loss/page/2/#post-4672775 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:06:04 +0000 Hi thereIm back on this forum today for the first time in years…. because its time to invest in property again. I have lived through so many business cycles, and your loss is very well contained. Ive had my business now for 13 years, and not so long ago, it tanked badly. Losing cash every  month, $20k, $50k, $100k, in the end I became detached…[Read more]

]]> 5204f2255f327676825f70d4693f488f jars11 replied to the topic Can't seem to crack first IP...maybe call in the pro's? in the forum So Im sitting here in a https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4407074-cant-seem-to-crack-first-ip-maybe-call-in-the-pros/page/2/#post-4673398 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:20:40 +0000 So Im sitting here in a hotel in Perth, flown over here from MEL, just. to sort out an issue on strata in Perth that was 1) not a good BA pick and 2) managed by a lazy agent. Im now one for doing it all myself, but back in 2003 I started with 2 BAs (one in WA and one in VIC as i was flat out and didnt have time to do necessary work). The i…[Read more]

]]> 21e12bc0a5cbede5a1812d8cfc613b36 jars11 replied to the topic tsunami disaster in the forum Opinionated! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4377792-tsunami-disaster/page/2/#post-4500870 Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:09:22 +0000 Gave $2000 and doing free shipping for customers supporting the disaster.

]]> 9822ed9b31b1817007e9c07b5a200f67 jars11 replied to the topic X-MAS CHEAP andFUN in the forum Forum Frolic https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4377076-x-mas-cheap-andfun/#post-4496082 Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:58:31 +0000 Its a kids thing, obviously. No kids ya seeee

:)

]]> cfbb1932d4c0b446340d626d00776b57 jars11 replied to the topic X-MAS CHEAP andFUN in the forum Forum Frolic https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4377076-x-mas-cheap-andfun/#post-4496079 Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:07:42 +0000 Are you serious?

]]> 7d9c2327d2b6a000cde9333bab66aaf9 jars11 replied to the topic Buyers Agent needed for Perth in the forum Help Needed! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4376770-buyers-agent-needed-for-perth/#post-4494392 Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:30:08 +0000 I used PBB – Property Buyers bureau. Be sure to use the owner. David Devenish, not anyone else he passes you on to. I bought thru them and they didnt pass on all info from the agent, and I bought a lemon. Its the worst property in my portfolio, and I will probably need to sell, though Im more determined to turn it around.

Be careful of them and…[Read more]

]]> 07c7e289ce6bd565d35bd63669acfa34 jars11 replied to the topic Richmastery seminar in the forum Help Needed! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4376313-richmastery-seminar/#post-4491971 Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:28:06 +0000 I paid $2500 ish. It was my second and last seminar for some time. I didnt bother with the last day because I just got sick of the childish game with hours, and I dont really need to learn a lesson about property by restricting hours, so I didnt bother to attend day 3. The first two days were ok, it was worth the $2500 but $4k is far too high.

Of…[Read more]

]]> 32335f5861fccf85eaa1fd9948223b55 jars11 replied to the topic Property manager pls for Bentley Student rental WA in the forum Help Needed! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4375514-property-manager-pls-for-bentley-student-rental-wa/#post-4486790 Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:52:06 +0000 Thnaks guys, visiting them shortly, will advise.

Cheers

Jars

]]> 8f042b5dee2bd5e0969e8ee7ba692dee jars11 replied to the topic Property manager pls for Bentley Student rental WA in the forum Help Needed! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4375514-property-manager-pls-for-bentley-student-rental-wa/#post-4486782 Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:37:17 +0000 Redwing

That would be great, thanks. Pls let me know who I can start to chat to re this, Iv sent a “shitogram” to my PM and will be flying over in next two weeks.

Cheers

Helen

]]> 856bdc675074e10a6de61bebb6509451 jars11 replied to the topic Experience with Uni Student IPs in the forum No Subject https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4375470-experience-with-uni-student-ips/#post-4486405 Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:58:03 +0000 Ok.

I get $375 a week instead of $230 / wk permanent rental. As for students, it depends on what you have, mine are not only not paying rent, the pigs are trashing the place and the useless agent better where body padding when I meet him this month.

anyway, thats me…

Jars

]]> ec0fc53931f1fdd6a18d8a1c557532cc jars11 replied to the topic STEVE'S SEMINAR - THE FEEDBACK in the forum No Subject https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4375143-steves-seminar-the-feedback/page/2/#post-4484008 Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:39:54 +0000 Hi LeighK

Thanks for that. Interesting assumptions we make isnt it? Can I say that being a woman in business, has cost me a lot of money, I do wish Id been allowed to vote which sex I was, what a blessed existence!

Jars

]]> 5fd768abeb2c5f389885a9396f84cd03 jars11 replied to the topic STEVE'S SEMINAR - THE FEEDBACK in the forum Heads Up! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4375143-steves-seminar-the-feedback/#post-4483988 Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:25:07 +0000 Jo

You beat me to it. I met one person only (you know that) and that was it. For me, I wasnt in it for putting face to name, though seeing Gatsby, I became very shy having seen his bod shots first, but no, the day for me, as most days are for me, was business only! It was worth more than that, or else I wouldnt state it. I would consider myself a…[Read more]

]]> 315fcd3fe237240d7a0f393f24872e67 jars11 replied to the topic STEVE'S SEMINAR - THE FEEDBACK in the forum Heads Up! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4375143-steves-seminar-the-feedback/#post-4483986 Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:16:18 +0000 G’day again

Working flat out at mo, but will take a few mins out to give some detail, as I can see no one else is going to do it!

Ok, seminar centered around the following objectives:

1. That cash flow properties are not bought, they are MADE, and its all in how the deal is structured. Examples of this were given.

2. The Advanced 11 second…[Read more]

]]> b6b70242d9698c5ac414754d8f636f2b jars11 replied to the topic An IP is an IP is an IP in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4375133-an-ip-is-an-ip-is-an-ip/#post-4483879 Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:14:15 +0000 Hi Pepper

Dont worry if it seems like there is no response to your post initially, the forum can be fickle at times, just like the market I suppose…

I personally prefer houses than appartments, only due to land content, which matters most, location and the type of market I wish to appeal to also factor. Its a pref initially, but if it comes…[Read more]

]]> e115778b3006a54e7db662c372cbaa17 jars11 replied to the topic STEVE'S SEMINAR - THE FEEDBACK in the forum Heads Up! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4375143-steves-seminar-the-feedback/#post-4483973 Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:55:48 +0000 Gatsby

Thats harsh, I thought you looked perfectly fit and worthy of the pic!

Jars

]]> d9ef982c39fbb3db3fd21cee8ef41514 jars11 replied to the topic STEVE'S SEMINAR - THE FEEDBACK in the forum Heads Up! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4375143-steves-seminar-the-feedback/#post-4483971 Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:32:39 +0000 Doesnt anyone wish to ask a question?

Humpf

Ok.

]]> 67b9538b597d25dc548b43b158efa280 jars11 replied to the topic Members Pic Page in the forum Forum Frolic https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4368935-members-pic-page/page/11/#post-4435603 Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:33:25 +0000 Hi Yaal

Its in fact, the only shot I have readily, as it was taken recently for the Telstra Westpac Businesswomans award that I won Oct last year. So, if we want to compete on the wannabe level, mate, Im fully loaded!

Ill send a holiday pic then, and get it swapped out. See if thats more casual for you!!

[biggrin]

Jars

]]> 5af59176a119cbdeffcc0344bb4d6f65 jars11 replied to the topic Members Pic Page in the forum No Subject https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4368935-members-pic-page/page/10/#post-4435591 Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:38:44 +0000 Right then – I am part of PI hall of fame/shame

:)

Jars

]]> f642463b98c79cbdf94beb3cf6ccd92a jars11 replied to the topic What are your occupations? in the forum No Subject https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4373610-what-are-your-occupations/page/4/#post-4472880 Sun, 04 Jul 2004 09:49:59 +0000 Interesting…

I own a supply chain and logistics management company, 17 FT staff.

]]> 36ce6f21cc1cee14715a41c8ee9665e2 jars11 replied to the topic Accountant Fees in the forum Legal & Accounting https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4374775-accountant-fees/#post-4481180 Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:32:35 +0000 My accountant charges $220 per hour, she is excellent, saved me a fortune on tax, and is the principal of the company, so its good. Bout average.

]]> 06c059ce0885eb4f1f72dc20099e0ff0 jars11 replied to the topic Who's going to the seminar in July? in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4374703-whos-going-to-the-seminar-in-july/#post-4480805 Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:35:07 +0000 Yep. Yes sir, yessum. Finally for me, Im in the country also. Taking my GM with me. [grad]

]]> 17cf3b60d499eb94593ca17e611ac022 jars11 replied to the topic Beware Banks! in the forum Finance https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4374351-beware-banks/#post-4478449 Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:20:32 +0000 I would love the email address or phone number, of a broker, who was willing to give an opinion, even if you are going directly with the banks. I find brokers only willing to handle customers with the same approach in mind as the banks – $$$ and a sure deal. Know any?

]]> c9cfeb9f5522ccbe543e6b7debb4ebed jars11 replied to the topic Portfolio blues - lost my compass in the forum No Subject https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4374279-portfolio-blues-lost-my-compass/#post-4477920 Sun, 06 Jun 2004 09:13:17 +0000 Hi AusProp

Thanks for the balanced feedback and the alterntaive viewpoint. I will deeply consider both views, as I am a tad uncomfortable with it, but really, I dont think Ive ever felt a “confort zone” anyway, Ive always put myself under pressure.

We shall see, I will do some more numbers and chat with the bank re my serviceablity. They havent…[Read more]

]]> 0482b3c08df000d978c3b5eb739322dd jars11 replied to the topic Portfolio blues - lost my compass in the forum No Subject https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4374279-portfolio-blues-lost-my-compass/#post-4477917 Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:50:41 +0000 Hi Derek

My thanks for your reply. This is true, and I know it. I bought it because I wanted something for me, a place to de-stress close enough to Melbourne that I would use it, as often as possible. It never made investment sense and my accountant didnt want me to buy it. I felt that I was working so hard, that I wanted something for me, and…[Read more]

]]> 35532cf4f76a9ef62e91555bfb7a1fdd jars11 replied to the topic Eat your heart out, you single girls in the forum Opinionated! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4373702-eat-your-heart-out-you-single-girls/page/5/#post-4473607 Sat, 05 Jun 2004 12:14:45 +0000 Must say, as a single girl, I couldnt marry him. Theer is somethign about him, that is a little “weak”. Im afraid Id end up walking all over him, and thats not a good thing.

]]> 68b74fff97cbfade77f8e41662a4f7db jars11 replied to the topic Pulling my hair out !! in the forum Help Needed! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4374280-pulling-my-hair-out/#post-4477924 Sat, 05 Jun 2004 12:01:47 +0000 HI Russell – me again

Where are you looking to buy? Aus? Which state? Whats our budget and what are you looking for? I agree, at first it is liek that. Ive bought 5 Ips now aside from my PPOR and Ive learned a little bit about it.

]]> d0983b162be8d427b6d40e18ea004549 jars11 replied to the topic ESC (Richmastery) ? in the forum Heads Up! https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4374277-esc-richmastery/#post-4477890 Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:59:45 +0000 Hi Russell

I did the ESC seminar in Sydney. If this is your first purchase, that seminar is quite good and worth doing, though I walked on on the last day, just got a bit jack of the format. But otherwise, it was very good info. Ive checked out 3 of their properties that they put up on web, and all of them were dogs, so I just went my own way,…[Read more]

]]> 96f36f0402615ebfddb0db472b6260ad jars11 replied to the topic Portfolio blues - lost my compass in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4374279-portfolio-blues-lost-my-compass/#post-4477915 Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:37:12 +0000 I do still need feedback though!

]]> 581b939d97326a7a6958f991d77cb7d5 jars11 replied to the topic Melbourne Property in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4374083-melbourne-property/#post-4476377 Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:10:23 +0000 Ive checked them out before, had a few appointments with them. I dont like appartemnts and its all that stuff, off plan etc. Nothing special, and nothing you cant do yourself by opening the paper, closing your eyes and pointing. Chatted to what I consider a legend in investment and very rich man, he knew a couple of the guys at WPB and he wasnt…[Read more]

]]> b0ab54c58cb74383fd90dc5cc595488c jars11 replied to the topic Melbourne IP group meeting- updated in the forum No Subject https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4374138-melbourne-ip-group-meeting-updated/#post-4476806 Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:00:58 +0000 Oops. Im always late for the ball. Id be interested in joining this group, do you take newcomers and when is next one, since it is now a fait accomplis.

]]> 771a9291cb41ea769d31e09542b5614f jars11 replied to the topic Portfolio blues - lost my compass in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4374279-portfolio-blues-lost-my-compass/#post-4477914 Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:50:00 +0000 Me thinks this is in wrong section, apols, should be under Help needed, cant move it now….

]]> 587a586809c074a168900792ec65f9af jars11 replied to the topic Holiday house for me - THE GUILT in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4370915-holiday-house-for-me-the-guilt/#post-4452211 Sun, 01 Feb 2004 00:46:25 +0000 Hi Everyone,
Thanks mini, yes Ive been watching from a distance and havent said boo for ages.
I think I will make a pros and cons list. Will talk to my accountant (though I know she has one seriously negatively geared holiday house for her, so perhaps thats not a good choice). It wouldnt limit me to holidays there as I do travel for work and tend…[Read more]

]]> 8ac758854a3fc27d44bf20a284978542 jars11 replied to the topic R U FOCUSED? in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4370408-r-u-focused/#post-4447708 Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:10:32 +0000 Hi. I remember being exactly where you are now. Exactly (though the machines didt factor in). Im no expert now[8)], Ive bought 4 IPs in last 6 mths, and am now moving to some diff investment classes, but I run a bsuiness and that keeps cashflow high and fairly distracted. I read Kiyosaki. I read Lomas, I went to Richmastery (hated that course), and…[Read more]

]]> 43437f838706dfd6538afed8c8678ff7 jars11 replied to the topic Building a house in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4370472-building-a-house/#post-4448176 Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:01:44 +0000 I mean you CAN get them from $150K. I miss the edit option once your message is posted. Where did that great feature go?

]]> 26990af69e101e921554e6c9b80a4f56 jars11 replied to the topic Building a house in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4370472-building-a-house/#post-4448175 Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:00:40 +0000 If you have a block of land, you can get some great “kit” homes. Quite a few people are doing this now and you cant get good kit homes from say $150K. Im Nooooo expert on this, but it can be a great saver!

]]> dc2506f366a243075b209cc05a3a55c2 jars11 replied to the topic Credit Card and Property Investing in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4370469-credit-card-and-property-investing/#post-4448141 Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:52:34 +0000 I have 4 credit cards. If I could, I’d have 14. I am also part of CBA wealth package and credit card limits no longer matter – thank god, a bank that doesnt have a hissy fit coz I have combined limits of $145K (Im the excpetion to the usual rule on this). Try to find the right bank/products that get over the credit card hang up, hopefully anyway…

]]> 0a749664903d6fce2c5b344650588246 jars11 replied to the topic Virtual property investing in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4369764-virtual-property-investing/#post-4442788 Sat, 06 Dec 2003 05:16:08 +0000 4 out of the last 5 properties I have bought in the last 4 months I havent seen – 1 is interstate and the rest are outer Melb. I use buyers advocates and have been happy with the results, no issues at all.

]]> 988c5339f8121899a5d55f907afd35d2 jars11 replied to the topic Anyone bought thru "ESC"? in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4369576-anyone-bought-thru-esc/#post-4440892 Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:59:02 +0000 I was very close to finalisisng a deal through them. It turned out to be an overpriced load of **** I realised that really, they are only good for NZ and outside of that (partic those WA deals), they havent got a clue what the property is like, they havent done any background on it and I find that as a novice (Ive only purchased 4 properties so…[Read more]

]]> 345da3b8c835bfd5ddb3ca31490ecb90 jars11 replied to the topic investing in New Zealand in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4368887-investing-in-new-zealand-4/page/3/#post-4434950 Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:48:03 +0000 Im not very happy with richmastery. I was looking at a property of theirs, granted it was in WA not NZ where they probably know the market better. I got some contacts to check it out and their summation of it was that it was a “shocker”. And it was, location was wrong, purch price over inflated, sold for more years before, etc etc etc. List goes…[Read more]

]]> ff0eacf84f3ba6436e336e13c509cd64 jars11 replied to the topic Is the inner west Sydney market softening up?? in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4368847-is-the-inner-west-sydney-market-softening-up/#post-4434531 Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:39:04 +0000 I am looking at buying in Sydney for a residential terrace or converted warehouse to use for an office downstairs and residence above, since we spend so much time in Syd for the business (saves on accommodation also and should go a long way to eliminating our large tax bill). I was looking at Alexandria, though I preferred Nth Syd/St leon/Crows…[Read more]

]]> f83674fd07016845f37a83ad38ef0ecb jars11 replied to the topic Frankston in Melbourne in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4368795-frankston-in-melbourne/#post-4434149 Sat, 18 Oct 2003 04:43:43 +0000 Ive recently bought 3 properties in Frankston that for me are onyol cash flow psotiive after tax, but long term they should convert. I was after CG’s mainly and I think Franskton is tipped to go.

]]> 247fec0728fada7a13c32bb2ee2c7ad7 jars11 replied to the topic Just bought first 3 IP's but now Im not sure.. in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4368694-just-bought-first-3-ips-but-now-im-not-sure/#post-4433671 Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:04:24 +0000 Thanks everyone, this meant a lot as I was losing sleep, believe it or not!

The company, yes it makes a good buck (today), has a “fee” relationship between itself and the Discretionary trust. The ideal scenario would have been to have the business in a trust as moving money between trusts is so much easier, but that was a mistake of going from a…[Read more]

]]> 0a209cdc9e52ae5ad4daebb8b173584a jars11 replied to the topic Just bought first 3 IP's but now Im not sure.. in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4368694-just-bought-first-3-ips-but-now-im-not-sure/#post-4433666 Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:44:14 +0000 Thanks everyone. For me, I feel like I have a lend of the business, and I need to be ready should that carpet be pulled out from underneath me and that can be without warning. I am a “make hay while the sun shines” kind of person and we all know that if we knew in advance that we would lose our job/income/business within 2 years, how would your…[Read more]

]]> 7e0ddb991c6f14ca1f3142832b3b8014 jars11 replied to the topic Just bought first 3 IP's but now Im not sure.. in the forum General Property https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4368694-just-bought-first-3-ips-but-now-im-not-sure/#post-4433660 Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:03:20 +0000 20 reads no replies – I really need some advice…

]]> 82099b3392903e6732331bae47c73dc4 jars11 replied to the topic Jokes? in the forum The Treasure Chest https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4367779-jokes/page/4/#post-4427979 Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:02:53 +0000 What did the Chinese couple call their retarded baby?

Sum Ting Wong

Why does Mike Tyson cry during sex?

Mace will do that to you

]]> 39d89ca7ea7ac281d1ffcce03db1106c jars11 replied to the topic richmastery in the forum The Treasure Chest https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4367463-richmastery/#post-4426089 Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:07:50 +0000 I went to their Sydney seminar and well, the first day was good, the second day started to shit me and I didnt even go on day 3. The hours are a real nuisance and the deals that go up on the web are few and far between with investors needing to act quick before they disappear. Forget the mentoring service, you dont need it. Cant say I have changed…[Read more]

]]> ada990c3d638fc71996cc3c1e4f07c40 jars11 replied to the topic Wealth Creating Seminars in the forum The Treasure Chest https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4366547-wealth-creating-seminars/#post-4420091 Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:57:54 +0000 Chris,

Fantastic situation and a brilliant base. I have attended one course and am attending a second one on Aug 9 in Syd. These two courses are what I consider to be the better choices. Im very choosy about these things.

The first one I attended was Steve Navra course for $260ish. Two days, great value and simply amazing stuff. He could make…[Read more]

]]> ea21b0f7c7345f3f2a60ad3f88f9f6d8 jars11 replied to the topic Be careful of PCG. in the forum The Treasure Chest https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4366545-be-careful-of-pcg/#post-4420077 Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:42:34 +0000 [:O] I am stunned. Not surprised, but really angry for you. I got that kind of **** on Friday with a market dominant supplier. Meet you at the ACCC, Ill be sitting in reception!

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