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    Hi Milly

    Unfortunately I love where I live.

    We have spent the past 20 years setting our house up just as we always dreamed it would be and will have the last few details taken care of by early next year.

    Purchasing the back half of the block next door will solve our problem anyway.

    With my recent brain tumour surgery I will most likely be unable to actively work again as I have quite a few post-op complications that are not going to go away. So looking after an acreage is a bit out there for me at the moment. We will continue to develop properties on a smaller scale as I was doing a lot of it myself and my wife can manage our other businesses on a smaller scale.

    One tip I will give on a hassle free development is to buy a block that has no house either side in an existing suburb or new subdivision, as their is little opposition and whoever decides to build beside your development knows what they are in for before they commit to the area. Has always worked for us.

    What is interesting is that out of the 86 people I have spoken to in the past week and a bit plus the 30 members of the local action group that I spoke to:

    – 91 were totally against the type of development going on in the area.
    – 12 approved of appropriate development, but not next door to them.
    – 6 couldn't care either way
    – 5 were renters and had no comment
    – 2 were getting ready to develop the back half of their yard  

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

    Cheers
    J.D

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    Hi Tysonboss 1

    We all fight for what we believe is right.

    Who is right or wrong ?

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

    Cheers
    J.D

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    Thanks Foundation

    Great feedback. Sorry that I do not measure up to your standards.

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

    Cheers
    J.D

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    Hi Tysonboss

    I have only posted the comments that I have received whilst out talking to people in the local community.

    We are already told what our rights are by the lawmakers, government and councils, I work within their guidelines.

    You are what you think. Whether you think you are right or wrong either way you are right.

    Cheers
    J.D

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    Hi Tysonboss 1

    Well I have never had a complaint, EVER. I work in with the neighbours to make sure that everyone is happy with what is going on around them.

    All my activities are kept within council code guidelines.

    What I am doing is pretty normal in the area.

    That is the beauty of the area, enough space to do what you want to do without effecting the quality of life of the neighbours.

    Then along comes someone who thinks that they can make a quick buck with little concern for the lifestyle that the area provides.

    The reason that developers are buying up the area is that the houses are cheap and there is a good profit to be made. Are they going around first asking what the local area residents want rather than slapping together what will make them the most money for their development ?
     
    The house buyers are then coming along to get a piece of the great location only to find that what made it a great place to live was the large blocks and the lifestyle and freedom that they provide. They end up with a small slab of concrete and a long driveway with a couple of square metres of grass for a backyard. Complaining about the lifestyle that they do not and will not have for themselves.

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

    Cheers
    J.D

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    Hi

    I can remember back when I rented my first investment property to my brother.

    Due to the time of year that I started renting and the income tax I was paying $30,000 + per year at the time, the following happened, I thought all my Christmas's had come at once.

    $160.00 a week repayments at 9.25% around 1995

    $120.00 a week rent

    $150.00 back in my pay each week after 221D form submitted

    $110.00 in front gross before expenses.

    We had the property managed through a local real estate to cover all bases.

    He was sent 14 eviction notices, should have been 15 but we did not send one on his birthday.

    EVERYONE warned me not to rent to a relative, live and learn. But it can work well for all parties.

    With relatives it can be a challenge to take things professionally instead of personally.

    Cheers

    J.D

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    Hi Again

    Another positive is that we are all increasing our post count and Steve is getting more traffic on his website.

    Cheers and Merry Christmas
    J.D

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    Hi

    What a busy week.

    THANK YOU s.r.prop for the professional reply, that is exactly what I needed to hear. Another quick question – The local group I mention later on has had a Unit Development D.A deferred and told me that they are now taking the matter to State Government, I did not ask too many questions about it, what will they be trying to do ?

    And a special thanks to the two forum members that sent the private messages, I feel sorry for what you both have been through.

    It is pretty obvious that posting the Question "How to Stop Developers" on a developer information website, is about the equivalent of an African American attending a Klu Klux Klan meeting. So outgunned and outnumbered, who gives a rip, I am only after some information.

    Jon, my intentions for door knocking and pamphlets was to gauge opinion on what people thought about what was happening in the area. I did not want to ram my opinions or ideas down their throats as some of the respondents on this forum seem to want to do. 

    A great forum SHOULD have a mix of opinions.

    Door knocking takes a lot of time. If I drink any more tea and eat any more cake and biscuits I will need a motorised chair to haul me around. But I will fit in with all the fat kids in the new units that have no back yards to play and exercise in. Luckily I had Brain Tumour Surgery in July and don,t have much else to do for the next year or two so door to door it is. Has been good to see some old friends and who is who in the community. 

    In one of the local papers yesterday there was an article on how a group of  30 residents two streets over (hadn't got that far yet) have had an application for a Multi-Unit D.A deferred based on their concerns and have the backing of the local council member that I have arranged a meeting with. Have spoken to the group spokesperson today, she was very appreciative for the information that you have provided on this forum. They put in a 30 signature objection letter and were asked to address the next council meeting, the councillors were a little surprised to see the crowd at the council meeting and refused to hear the objections that night. Well the crowd turned up next time much to the shock and surprise of the councillors and had the D.A deferred.

    Our council is up for elections next year, who do they want to piss off, the voters in the community or the couple of out of town developers and their small donations. It will be interesting to see.

    It was interesting to hear that another developer in the same street had a heap of objections to his D.A so he quickly changed a few windows on the plans and had the info sent straight back out, well the people affected thought that the matter had already been settled and did not object to what they thought was a double up of paperwork that had already been dealt with, no complaints, D.A approved.

    They are a lot wiser now, knowledge + action.

    What a pack of hard core NIMBY'S. They have some imaginative and effective objections.

    My concern in regard to my situation was for the poor bugger who tries to sell their development next door to me as I have 3 x 50 – 60 kg hunting dogs, ferrets, chooks and ducks, a large noisy workshop along the fence, I spray paint and abrasive blast regularly down the back, large swimming pool and trampoline, 2 young sons with 14 motorbikes that are ridden around the yard nearly every day (I hope they don't mind the smell and the noise).

    I have had some tips from a few of the locals over the last week on how to hold up and slow down the developers has anyone been a victim of any of these and how effective was it ? –

    1) Complaints every day to everyone and anyone during construction (Workcover violations, illegal workers, trespassing, personal threats, noise, smell, dust, swearing, property damage, etc) to slow the development down so as to increase the build time and costs thus reducing profits.

    2) When the units are finished and being viewed get the metal drop saw out and cut up scraps of metal each time till the group has left. It will take years to sell the property.

    3) I used to be a professional Roo Shooter, when the mates drop off roo's, pigs, rabbits and goats for the dogs to eat get a little extra and let it rot down the back. There is always a pig or goat head down in the chook pen getting picked clean.

    4) Erect large signs in your yard facing the development, letting the potential buyers know what you think.

    5) I do not approve of this at all but it has been done apparently, throw dog shit up into the gutters to run into the water tanks. Costs a bit to have it flushed out and adequately cleaned, if it can be.

    6) Heavily spray your house for termites and get some finches, feed them LOTS of termites, they love plywood and particle board. I re-clad my house and painted Creosote on ALL timbers, walls, floor and roof, couldn't move back in for almost 2 weeks.

    7) Grow some Dawn Redwoods down the boundary fence they grow very tall, very fast.

    8) Ring crime stoppers and keep reporting suspicious activity (child porn, drug dealing, illegal brothel)

    9) Put a notice on the local notice boards "Free Building Materials"

    10) Run for local council.

    At the moment I seemed to have solved my problem, I can and will be buying the back half of the old lady's block next door and applying to council for a boundary adjustment. I will soon have a 3/8 acre total with the new 1/8th of an acre under garden and fruit trees. She has agreed to give me first option on the front half with house when she is ready to sell. The other neighbour will be staying as the house next door to him was sold to relatives of a friend of mine who purchased the property for the large back yard for their kids. He liked the idea of selling me the back half of his block, but is not willing to as yet. WOO WOO 1/2 acre here we come.

    Any additional information for the action group would be much appreciated.

    Thank You
    J.D

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    Hi Jon

    Bring on the new residents as I run 3 businesses and am looking forward to developing as many of the 13,500 houses that I can.

    I don't like riding horses and I have no one to follow me with tapping coconuts so I will have to give the white knight scenario a miss.

    I still cannot see progress with a 100 year old house sitting on a postage stamp size piece of land with a brick and tile duplex sitting out the back. The place is starting to look like a blind man planned it.

    I suppose it may be selfish but I love where I live.

    Any HELPFUL information would be appreciated.

    Thank You
    J.D

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    Hi Tysonboss 1

    Well a NIMBY I must be. Does it really matter. I have obviously struck a nerve.

    If I declare myself a NIMBY am I really a NIMBY since I am not in denial???

    All that is really important is how you see yourself.

    I purchased my home for $50,000 20 years ago and it is now worth over $300,000, my first investment property was purchased for  for $65000 in 1995 and sold in 2002 for $160,000 it is now worth $250,000, hooray for affordability and keeping prices down. Please no lecture on why housing prices naturally rise.

    We still live in a democracy, so neither of us must have the right to control what goes on outside our own yards.

    How does someone get appointed as the grand decider in what can and can't be done.

    You are what you think. Whether you think you can or you can't either way You are right.

    Thank you for your input.

    Any HELPFUL information would be appreciated.

    Thank You
    J.D

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    Hi Tysonboss 1

    Good to see some emotion.

    Are you one of the people we are dealing with?

    Sorry but I don't see how I measure up to your NIMBY qualifications.

    1) I have owned my house for over 10 years and invest in other things as well as property so I don't really care about housing affordability. If you need more money to buy the house you want earn more or borrow more. All the money we need has already been printed it is up to us to source it. My granddad used to say if you don't have the cash you can't afford it.

    How does a duplex in a back yard help housing affordability when you can buy the original house for $200,000, wait 12 months and sell the same house on 1/2 a block for $180,000 and the duplex's for $220,000 – $250,000 per unit with not much more than a slab of concrete to park your car on and three strands of string for a clothes line?.

    2) We have ample infrastructure in the area, I don't see a cheap and nasty duplex stuck in the back yard next door as essential infrastructure.

    3) There are plenty of people out there looking after climate change, no need for my input on a global basis, we already do what we can at home. We have solar power, 26000 litres of rainwater tanks, a large vegetable garden with compost area and 6 chooks. I have three cars including 2 x V8's and 14 motorbikes, so I love burning the good oil while it lasts.

    4) I am not trying to stop progress, just trying to maintain the lifestyle that I already have and am entitled to. Progress is something that improves the community.

    5) Most of the new sub-divisions in the area are 1/2 to 2 acre blocks. So yes I must agree in this area the 1/4 acre blocks are on hold.

    6) What job are you trying to get done?

    7) Thank you for the promising tip that there are buttons to push. If anyone knows what buttons to push please let me know.

    I have made a little progress as I have contacted one of the local councillors who will be paying me a visit tomorrow. He is of the same opinion in regard to what types of developments are being approved in the area.

    We are arranging a letterbox drop of all the homes in our neighbourhood with an information kit and letter of objection with pre-stamped envelope addressed to the Local Council and and have set up an e-mail address for people to voice their opinion.

    We have also put a petition on 2 local notice boards so far for people to record their objections.

    With our current team of 6 people we are considering door-knocking every house to have a one on one chat with each resident, even the BACKYARDIGANS. I want both sides to voice their opinions.

    Any help or info much appreciated.

    Thank You
    J.D

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    Thank you for the replies so far.

    Thank you Jon for the history lesson, although it does sound a little generic and self justifying. I have travelled extensively overseas and if you were talking about a town or city with a population in excess of 20 million I might agree.

    Do we have any towns or cities with a population of over 10 Million yet?

    Our town has a population of just over 20,000, currently there is a plan for several new sub-divisions/towns in the area. One is for 7500 – 10000 new homes, another for 3000 + homes and 3 smaller ones that I know of that will provide around 1000 + new homes each, so I think the area might be doing its bit for the proposed 20 million increase in Australia's population. That is OK in my backyard as the people who will be moving into these areas will have an expectation of what they are in for before they move in. Fill the new areas full of  units and duplexes if people want to live in sardine cans that is their choice.

    I am only interested in what is over my back and side fence and the rest of our small suburb.

    It is interesting that in one of the new existing subdivisions that duplexes and units have now been banned as the locals believe that they do not fit into the area. How did they achieve this?

    With the amount of for sale signs in the surrounding areas there is no shortage of homes available and add the new homes to the equation there is more than enough to go around.

    The problem in our area is that there were only about 800 homes in our suburb all on 1/4 acre blocks. There was a sea of green for as far as the eye could see with Black Cockatoo's, Rosella's, Rainbow Lorikeet's and all kinds of wildlife to see and appreciate. Now there are patches missing all over the place replaced with concrete and cheap poorly built units. It seems that there is a new set of units every other day with another set of families next door moving out as a result with then another unit to take their place.

    Someone with no backyard has a different expectation to someone with a backyard and from the many people I have spoken to that have a new development beside them it doesn't take long for the complaints to start flowing and it gets even worse when there is one either side. No complaints ever then suddenly the big three, dogs barking, kids playing, turn the music down.

    We recently had one company come around door-knocking, they were looking for the elderly residents, particularly widows. The offer was that we will build 4 units on your block and give you the front unit (my immediate neighbour was approached but luckily declined the offer). They would arrive at the victims house with flowers and chocolates and explain how good the offer was and snap up a $250,000 bargain in return for a $100,000+ shoe box. They did a little damage before they were exposed for what they were. The three people I have spoken to so far that this has happened to are not at all happy with the decision that they had made and the subsequent loss of privacy that living butted up against your neighbour provides.

    The latest trend is to buy the old house and subdivide the block, rent out the front house and put the rear block up for sale. It is taking 1 – 2 years to sell the rear blocks so where is the money to be made anyway.

    Many of the new developments are being vandalised with graffiti sprayed all over them. I hope that no one ends up getting hurt or in legal trouble over their actions.

    Thank you for the comments Marc I agree totally, I too will be building 3 and 4 unit developments in the NEW subdivisions to cater for the wants and needs of the masses. Leave the beauty of the well thought out and planned existing communities intact.

    Thanks Scott No Mates, I have tried what you have mentioned with no success so far as it is obvious that our poorly run council needs all the money that it can muster so they are bending over backwards for any development money they can get their hands on.

    One of my friends has a beautiful 100 + year old home on a hill with fantastic views and has about 10 gum trees in his back yard. They were the main reason that he purchased the house. The bases of the trees would be around 2 metres in diameter they are spectacular and I can easily see it from my place. Someone purchased the blocks either side and put in a D.A for 4 x 2 story units either side, the development was rejected as it could not meet the Basix requirements due to shading from the trees. My friend has received numerous threats in regards to having the trees removed to make way for progress, it is hard to prove anything when it is only his word against theirs. One tree along the boundary was poisoned and cost a considerable amount of money to have it removed. Due to my recent brain tumour surgery I have not spoken to him recently but I had heard that there is some form of legal challenge he has been lumbered with in regard to the developments.

    My friends mother lives in a new local duplex, during a recent heavy downpour the water would not drain away and started flooding, they had to kick in the door of the unoccupied unit next door to let the water flood through and drain away to save her belongings. When they checked the main drain it was capped under the ground and went nowhere. This is not an isolated incident when it comes to putting profits first. Most of the units are finished in a hurry with little attention to quality of finish or fitting into the area, it does make sense to do only the minimum of what is required to maximise profits. If the inexperienced developers knew of this website and the information available they might be able to do their homework and avoid having to take shortcuts as the money runs out and the profit margin starts rapidly shrinking.

    As I stated in my first post I have met a quite few of the current local developers, they have mostly not been professional developers that do this for a living to provide affordable housing for our children as Jon mentioned, they had all come from out of town to make a quick dollar with little or no regard for what they leave behind. A quick fix for their financial woes.

    The reason that I like this website so much is that there is so much information on how to get it right. I applaud the developers that take and manage the risks and produce a quality affordable product. The current local developments are a little off the mark.

    As I asked before if anyone has had a successful objection to a D.A are there any specific objections that have the best chance of halting the progress of the type of developments that I have mentioned or is there anything or anyone that can be contacted in regards to the local councils decision making process???

    There have been some developers that are building on corner blocks that have seemed to have got it right with a quality product that has been designed to fit into the area. But the old house in the front yard and duplex in the back yard development look like s**t.

    I still feel sorry for the neighbour who has lost their privacy in their new viewing zoo like atmosphere. 

    Look honey at that family in that big backyard playing together, I can remember when our grand parents had a yard like that.

    Cheers
    J.D

     

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