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    ormeau wrote:
    Millionaire shmillionaire, it all wont matter soon guys. Peak Oil, coming to a service station near you!

    Egzackery!! Cash is King!!

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    hollandguy wrote:
    I haven't disagreed with any of your comments thus so far. In fact I haven't made any comments at all.  I'm asking you the questions as you're the millionarie and seem to post a fair bit. I've answered all your questions however you still can't answer my  1 and only original question… So I take it no-one on this forum goes to blogs for advice?

    Hollandguy posted "don't you have anything new or inteligent to say?" Gee I would take that as disagreeing? Gee I could almost take it as a comment as well? Thought you hadnt made any comments?lol Dont know why Im even bothering replying to you, you are obviously a waste of time, someone who has nothing to offer and cant even hold a constructive conversation…yawn….

    As for your other comment asking for who comes to me for advice-I didnt realise there was a new rule that no one was allowed to post unless someone had gone to them for advice? Gee really strong rebutals you are putting up champ..

    Please take my advice and sit back and do some reading learning, who knows you might actually get somewhere in life. And enough with the milionaire comment-you are embarassing yourself if you think a millionaire is anything special these days…..

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    bardon wrote:
    what makes you think that I thin that ?

    Sorry, thought you were having a shot at me. Disregard, and no, no money for you ;)

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    Another I got from this very site posted by Steve himself!!

    'Aussies reeling in financial doom'

    "76pc of Aussies say they are finding mortgage repayments difficult "

    "many homeowners could be forced to sell their properties if interest rates rose another 1 per cent"

    "property is out of favour with investors, with 66 per cent of Australians saying they are less or much less likely to buy or invest in residential property"
    http://www.news.com.au/business/money/story/0,25479,23758574-5016110,00.html

    So snipe at me all you want Holandguy-but mate the writting is on the wall, ignore it at your own peril…..I am interested to hear your thought on the two above articles that Steve has posted on this site. Do you intend to send Steve a nasty email becasue he is also suggesting property prices could come down? I doubt I will get a response from you anyway…

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    Can someone please explain to me why none of you seem to be concerned about the effects 10% interest rates and $1.80 per litre fuel prices for starters could have on the property market?

    http://www.news.com.au/business/money/story/0,25479,23771312-14327,00.html

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    Hollandguy one more point-seriously what have you got to loose by considering property prices could come down? Why shoot down people who may save you and 'potentially' you family a lot of money? If we are wrong so what?-you may miss out on maybe 5% per annum MAX capital gains over the next 5 years by sitting tight, but what if  by some stroke of luck lol we are right? How much then would you have saved? All comes down to risk reward-and everything is telling us the risk is FAR greater than the reward at the moment….

    And I think thats where you and others miss the point-we are not saying property is bad, just bad at the moment. Of course we are open to opposing views backed up with substance, problem is the opposing views always seem to lack that little factor…substance…

    So knock me all you like, I dont care, but PLEASE at least back you point of view up with SOMETHING….ANYTHING?????

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    hollandguy wrote:

    Well from what I've been reading your're the one with the answers. I'm not a millionare like you, I don't have the answers on the market, I can't tell you if rates will go up or down, nor did I say yes to any of the above

    However your the millionaire right? you must be famous on this forum? let me ask you 1 question is there even 1 person on this forum who asks you for advice if so what are there names?
    Actually I'll ask the question too, who here asks blogs "the millionaire" for advice?
    I'm now waiting with baited breath………

    lol gee budy I would quit while I was behind if I were you-u are showing your niavety!! You think a millionaire is rare these days? I would be surprised if half the people on this forum wernt milionaires, and if you havent made a considerable amount of money out of property in the last ten years you would be the exception to the rule. And that is half the problem, every chump has made money out of property and thinks its a fail safe sorce of ending al their financial woes. Why are you attacking me? Do you not want to even consider that property prices could go down? By the sounds of it you are new to the game and have nothing to offer (by your own admission) so why dont you be quiet-you might learn something sport ;)

    Tell me-why is it that you only want to hear positives about the property market? Dont you want to be a informed, knowledgeable and balanced investor? Dont you think only hearing half the story could damage your chances of financial success? Surely if you were serious about investing, wether it be in property, shares or a business you would want to consider ALL the posible outcomes, weigh up the risk/reward and then make a educated decision? Seems to be you are a newbie who only wants to hear the good and not even consider that bad. Well hopefully if anything our 'discussions' may have put a little seed of doubt into your head-seek out the answers you so obviously lack, do some reading, check the financial papers, understand the fundamentals of debt and the economy, consider where the economy may be headed over the next 5-10 years, and then once you have formed a view by all means jump in and argue your point.

    But to mouth off with absolutely no basis of knowledge just shows your extreme level of ignorance and immaturity. Dont worry though, I dont take it personally-hopefully you will learn something out of this all….after all, we are all here to make money-how do my comments do anything unbeneficial to you? Other than open your eyes to a scenario you may not want to face? Do my comments have any impact on the property market? No. Do my comments stop anyone from making money? No. Could my comments allow someone to consider all the sides of the story and potentially save them a loss, YES. So what on earth is your problem sport? Blinkers?

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    bardon wrote:
    since I am greedy and you are trying to help and to show that you really care why dont you PM me and I will send you my bank details and you can chuck a few bob in my account.

    Why would you need anymore money? You obviuosly have all the answers-property is going to continue up like a rocket-you have it made buddy :)

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    hollandguy wrote:
    It might be my first post, however you have made 321 posts of the same crap, and I bet no-one on this forum has thanked you for your "advice" or even listens to you for that fact. What have you honestly achieved since you joined this forum, pointing out what anyone with an IQ over 20 can see. Does anyone really care if someone goes bankrupt except debt collectors? If you care so much become a social worker and really help those out in need.

    What have I achieved since joining this forum I have increased my wealth by over a mill, give or take a hunge thousand. How about you big man? See its people like you who are doomed to failure-you only want to hear/read what you WANT to hear or read. A serious investor takes off the rose coloured glasses and analises the situation, they dont just blindly believe a story regadless of opposing views. Thats what you seem to be, you only wan to hear the good, yo udont want to consider the bad..

    So what difference does it make to me? Lol well none actually-I find it hilarious that people who are supposed to be here to make money are so quick to blindy oppose anyone who has a differing view on where the market is headed. If everyone posted 'up up up' regardless off the truth where would that leave you?

    And yes for record I do actually care if anyone goes bankrupt-why on earth would I want that. What is in it for the like of Scamp or myself to take the position we have? Besides cop abuse from nobodies like you?

    Sooo if you think you have all the answers its time to put up big man. Tell us, why do you think the market is going to continue on its upward spiral? What investments have you got, what investments have you made over the last 5-10 years? Are you not worried that with all booms come busts? What effect do you think increasing oil prices will have on he market, a market that is already the most overvalued in the world? Do you think interst rates will be coming down soon, and if so why? Do you think the current level of debt is sustainable-do you think there is capacity for more?

    Just a couple of quick questions for someone wh obviously has all the answers if yu dont mind? I will be waiting with baited breath, and will be extremly surprised if I even get a reply, let alone one that would indicate you have an I.Q over 20 lol

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    hollandguy wrote:
    don't you have anything new or inteligent to say?

    Well you really saved your first post for a glimmer of outstanding intelligence huh lol Was worth the wait.

    Try this on sport-papers say petrol is set to hit $1.80 a litre, but we all know money grows on trees and this wont have any imact, and of course property prices will keep going up. Why dont all you greedy people stop for a second and think why the likes of scamp and myself even bother? We are trying to point out the bleeding obvious, but with the remarks we cop why should we even care if you all go bankrupt……?

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    No you are crazy-everbody KNOWS that property prices only go up, especially after a record bubble and unsustainable debt levels combined with never before seen levels of cost of living increase ;) Keep blue sky dreamin fellas…

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    scamp you are sooo full of sh!t, everyone knows house prices are just gunna keep going up, dont get all logical here mate-dreams carry much more weight lol why face reality when you can live comfortably in la la land?;)

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    scott8afl wrote:
    thats because the properties that were bought by these investors were highly negatively geared.

      Yep, which is the majority of properties, so you would admit then its not going to take a hell of a lot to push them close to the edge?

    scott8afl wrote:
    So rental yields are crappy as you say because purchasers are forced to purchase at above market prices for the property they want

     Which could be said for the market as a whole-I personaly think its horifically overpriced. Either way you look at it its screwed, people try to argue that 'its only the house that have been sold overt the last few years that are over valued and risk dropping in price'-so in that case what they are saying is really the entire market is over valued-as latest sales price is what eveyone boast when valuing their house?

    scott8afl wrote:
    the second part is only an educated guess on my part but I dont believe that there will be to much more upwards pressure on interest rates which means that over the next 2 years prices will remain for the most part consistant with what we see today being that the market has corrected itself and now property is selling for marginally less than it was say 3 months ago

    O.K, so you are saying that the market has largely corrected itself, or will at least remain stagnate for the next couple of years-then why on earth would you bother buying today? If my investment is going to have 2 years of no appreciation then whats the point? I would rather be savoing the repayments, eithe rinvet them or play it safe in a term deposit an dthen put it toward she property in 2 years time-just think of the repayments alone you would save!!!

    Look in some respects I hope Im wrong, but I fear I am right-no matter which way you look at it we are in for a bumpy couple of years, and propertuy aint gunna increase much when people are going to be scrimping and scrounging just to pay for petrol and food…

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    Now your are talking ormeau-farming is going to be a gold mine-more and more mouths to feed and only so much farmable land-thow into the combination the changing iets of the two biggest populations in the world-India and China, and we are in foor a unforseen demand on staple grains such as wheat, and the factors that go into their production such as Phosphate-hence my move into MAK (Developing huge phos mine in the N.T EST S.P between $20-$40 by 2010).

     

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    scott8afl wrote:
    sorry forgot to add that while the price of property may be dropping the rental market is stronger than ever with very few vacancies around but tonnes of people willing to rent

    Sorry I also forgot to add-with so much 'demand' why are rental yields soooo crappy? Thought people would be able to put rents up to at least come close to covering their costs-most rents arnt even coming close to paying half the mortgage costs..

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    scott8afl wrote:
    [Now I believe that this price drop will continue to be prevelent for roughly 2 more years

    Excatly my man-so why bother buying now unless you come across a monty? My point to you is prove to me why it would be better financially to buy now and not in say 2 years time-and if so what rate of capital gains do you require in order to do so? Bear in mind inflation is running at almost 5% and will most likeley see another rise or two before the year is out.

    I like to crunch numbers-seems many people invlved in R.E dont….

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    scott8afl wrote:
    Scramp,

    Now is the best time to invest in property. What you say makes no sense at all. but you wait till 2011 and buy property at the higher prices and well buy now when people need to get out so sell cheaper.

    so in 2011 look for a property I have for sale so I can make my profit from you.

    Scramp makes no sense? What the?? You say "you wait till 2011 and buy property at the higher prices and well buy now ", by beeing 'cheaper' now I presume you mean after neglecting to take in mortgage repayments and various expense items? So tell me Scott-youhave obviously done your sums, what rate of capital gains do you need over the next 3 years just to break even? You can even throw in a 10% rental increase a year if you like. Please just tell me and I will go away….Im sure you have the numbers ready to  go?

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    amsjerm wrote:
    [The only thing i can think of are interest rates dropping, but by then I believe it's too late.

    I dont think so-look how long it took the market to move up on historically low rates-doesnt happen over night. Im still waiting for someone to explain to me how all thsi increasing debt (to cover your increasing property prices) is going to be funded??

    Another nail in the coffin-read an article food prices are expected to double over the next few years..it just gets better and better huh :)

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    Rhys_Roberts wrote:
    WHY DOES PROPERTY EXPERT AND PROPERTY GURU MICHEAL YARDNEY THINK NOW IS A WONDERFUL TIME TO BUY REAL ESTATE? That is what he keeps saying in his emails to me.

    Has he ever told you NOT to buy??

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    Andy,

    Nice comments. My basic argument is that things are gunna get worse before they get better, so unless you come across a bargain I would be suring up capital and waiting patiantly. Basic risk reward-the odds are that prices will stagnate if not drop more than prices rising. Thats a good enough risk analysis for me to sit out for the time being. If I was to buy know only to see my property stagnate or drop I would be saying to myself 'o.k why did you buy, what factors told you prices would be increassing' and at the mo everything is telling me the opposite. Good luck to all-courage is needed in life no matter what you do…

    And I have enjoyed the fisty cuffs, car park at 10:30, winner takes all ;)

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