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  • Profile photo of Scott No MatesScott No Mates
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    A couple of easy questions for those in the know but would help with a few issues I have come across recently. I am seriously thinking of releasing funds from my current super scheme and setting up an smsf to hold some new assets.

    a) Is there a restriction as to the type of property that can be bought in a SMSF? eg: block of 3 or 4 villas/townhouses vs strata retail shop vs single dwelling?

    b) Is a smsf liable for land tax? Does it benefit from a tax-free threshold for land tax or is it added to my land holdings?

    c) Can the smsf sell the properties?

    d) Can the smsf undertake works/value add? Can the fund borrow to undertake these works?

    e) Who borrows on behalf of the smsf – do I have to borrow as trustee or can the fund borrow funds? Are the borrowings at a commercial rate or a investors rate (or the best rate that I can negotiate)?

    f) If I have to borrow on behalf of the fund eg I own 50% & SMSF 50% (fund has applied its funds towards purchase and not borrowed, I have borrowed 100%), is there an optimum way of structuring ownership or only as joint tenants (would tenants in common mean that if I Passed away the property would automatically pass to the SMSF)?

    g) Is there a restriction on how much (%) the fund can borrow? (the investment will be positively geared with minimal  borrowings ie < 20%).

    h) Is the fund subject to CGT discount if the asset is sold pre-retirement age?

    i) Can the fund appoint a property manager & pay their fees for management? Does the agent have to be a non-related party ie not a beneficiary of the fund eg PTY LTD company?

    j) Can a beneficiary undertake the work & be paid by the fund? (eg if licenced builder is not required for non-residential works)

    k) Does the fund need to divest of the assets upon the death of one of the beneficiaries if there is insufficient cash to pay out the account?

    l) Who would be best to set up the smsf – solicitor, accountant or accountant with legal advice or solicitor with finanical advice?

    I will apologise in advance for all of the questions however a great opportunity has arisen which has got me thinking…..

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    Hi SNM

    a) Is there a restriction as to the type of property that can be bought in a SMSF? eg: block of 3 or 4 villas/townhouses vs strata retail shop vs single dwelling? Yes and No. There is no restiction as to the type of property that can be owned within the fund as long as the Trustees have considered the risk and the acqusition forms part of the overall investment strategy. No being the fund cannot borrow to fund such a project.

    b) Is a smsf liable for land tax? Does it benefit from a tax-free threshold for land tax or is it added to my land holdings?
    Yes a SMSF is liable for Land Tax and normally would not benefit from any Tax free threshold. May vary from State to State but is payable in Qld on every dollar.

    c) Can the smsf sell the properties? Yes of course. Remember a SMSF cannot be seen to Trade so would be hard to argue if you did it repeatedly.

    d) Can the smsf undertake works/value add? Can the fund borrow to undertake these works?
    Again Yes and No. Nothing to stop the fund improving or renovating the property but is unable to borrow full stop. (To clarify a SMSF cannot borrow in it own right)

    e) Who borrows on behalf of the smsf – do I have to borrow as trustee or can the fund borrow funds? Are the borrowings at a commercial rate or a investors rate (or the best rate that I can negotiate)?
    You cannot borrow for such a venture so question is easily answered. In saying that if the fund invested in a Unit Trust and the Trust (with totally unrelated parties) borrowed funds then this is different.

    f) If I have to borrow on behalf of the fund eg I own 50% & SMSF 50% (fund has applied its funds towards purchase and not borrowed, I have borrowed 100%), is there an optimum way of structuring ownership or only as joint tenants (would tenants in common mean that if I Passed away the property would automatically pass to the SMSF)?
    As long as the property was used as security this would be ok. You borrowed using your PPOR for example. Ownership structure is not that simple unfortunately.

    g) Is there a restriction on how much (%) the fund can borrow? (the investment will be positively geared with minimal  borrowings ie < 20%). Yes Nil.

    h) Is the fund subject to CGT discount if the asset is sold pre-retirement age?
    Yes the concessional rate of CGT for a SMSF is 10%.

    i) Can the fund appoint a property manager & pay their fees for management? Does the agent have to be a non-related party ie not a beneficiary of the fund eg PTY LTD company? Yes the fund could use a local propery manager to perform the duties of management but would need to be a non related party. Could not be a Trustee of the fund.

    j) Can a beneficiary undertake the work & be paid by the fund? (eg if licenced builder is not required for non-residential works)
    No.

    k) Does the fund need to divest of the assets upon the death of one of the beneficiaries if there is insufficient cash to pay out the account? Not sure i understand the question but if you are saying that the Deed allows for a lump sum payment upon the death of one of the Trustees (Maximum 4) then Yes assuming the Fund does not have any other cash assets (this in itself would probably fail the Annual Audit regards to investment practise) the property would need to be sold.

    l) Who would be best to set up the smsf – solicitor, accountant or accountant with legal advice or solicitor with finanical advice?
    A good Accountant could set up the Deed however think you might need all 3 depending on what you eventually decide to do.

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    Hi SNM

    I think that Richard has provided some good information, however since I have also had a fair amount of experience with assisting my clients purchase property via their SMSF and utilising I would like to add a few points to assist in blue.

    a) Is there a restriction as to the type of property that can be bought in a SMSF? eg: block of 3 or 4 villas/townhouses vs strata retail shop vs single dwelling?

    Yes and No. There is no restiction as to the type of property that can be owned within the fund as long as the Trustees have considered the risk and the acqusition forms part of the overall investment strategy. No being the fund cannot borrow to fund such a project.

    There is a a general prohibition of SMSFs borrowing directly.  However, since September 2007 SMSFs have been able to borrow under an 'instalment warrant' arrangement which basically means a separate trust and trustee hold the title of the property and the SMSF receives all income and pays the loan repayments. See diagram below:

    SMSF Instalment Warrant Diagram

    b) Is a smsf liable for land tax? Does it benefit from a tax-free threshold for land tax or is it added to my land holdings?
    Yes a SMSF is liable for Land Tax and normally would not benefit from any Tax free threshold. May vary from State to State but is payable in Qld on every dollar.

    Check with the state revenue office in the state(s) the property(ies) will be located.  In QLD land tax is only payable where the unimproved land value is more than $350k.  Property owned by a SMSF (directly or via an instalment warrant) is taxed for land tax purposes as a trust.   http://www.osr.qld.gov.au/land-tax/about-land-tax/land-tax-rates.shtml

    Also, recent changes to the SMSF borrowing rules mean that a separate trust & instalment warrant must be used for each property (separate titles) – even if they are identical – which means each property should have its own land tax threshold. Once again check with your state revenue office for details.

    c) Can the smsf sell the properties?

    Yes of course. Remember a SMSF cannot be seen to Trade so would be hard to argue if you did it repeatedly.

    As per Richard.  The SMSF cannot be seen to be in a property selling business or property development business as this is a breach of the SIS rules.

    d) Can the smsf undertake works/value add? Can the fund borrow to undertake these works?
    Again Yes and No. Nothing to stop the fund improving or renovating the property but is unable to borrow full stop. (To clarify a SMSF cannot borrow in it own right)

    OK, this is a tricky one.  This is one of the questions that the ATO have been asked:

    Can an SMSF trustee draw down under a limited recourse borrowing arrangement to make capital improvements to real property held by the holding trust under that arrangement without contravening the super law?

    Yes under the current law. Improving real property involves changing the property into a more desirable or valuable form – for example, by extending the property's income-producing ability, or enhancing its saleability or market value. When improvements materially alter the character of the original asset, they create a replacement asset for the purposes of subsection 67(4A) of the SISA. Under subsection 67(4A), the replacement asset is not limited to any particular type of asset but must be an asset that the SMSF trustee is not prohibited from acquiring. Assuming that the original property was an asset that the SMSF trustee was permitted to acquire, the improved property will be a permitted replacement asset.

    If the terms of a limited recourse borrowing arrangement allow the SMSF trustee to make drawdowns, then any drawdowns must be used for the acquisition of the original asset or its permitted replacement.

    Drawdowns to pay for capital improvements to the original asset meet this test, as do drawdowns to capitalise interest, maintain the asset and meet other costs of the arrangement. However, an SMSF trustee cannot make a drawdown to extract cash from the arrangement.

    Even though the ATO has said borrowing to make capital improvements to a property owned by a SMSF via an instalment warrant arrangement (holding trust) is OK, in reality it will be difficulty finding a lender who will take this type of lending on.  You can work around this by utilising extra contributions to the SMSF to fund improvements.

     

    e) Who borrows on behalf of the smsf – do I have to borrow as trustee or can the fund borrow funds? Are the borrowings at a commercial rate or a investors rate (or the best rate that I can negotiate)?
    You cannot borrow for such a venture so question is easily answered. In saying that if the fund invested in a Unit Trust and the Trust (with totally unrelated parties) borrowed funds then this is different.

    When talking about borrowing via an instalment warrant arrangement, it is the SMSF which is the borrower.  The trustees of the SMSF can also borrowing themselves (in their own capacity – NOT in their capacity as trustees of the SMSF) and on-lend to the SMSF.  This is termed 'member financing' and can often be easier to obtain if the trustees have available equity in other properties.

    In terms of the rates, there is a lot of variation.  Some lenders have been been charging a premium on top of their normal interest rate, however this seems to be changing.  For example I have heard that from 1 July 2010 Westpac (one of the bog banks that do a lot of SMSF loans) will be charging the same rates for SMSF loans as normal investment property loans.  There also might be different LVRs – i.e. slightly lower.

    f) If I have to borrow on behalf of the fund eg I own 50% & SMSF 50% (fund has applied its funds towards purchase and not borrowed, I have borrowed 100%), is there an optimum way of structuring ownership or only as joint tenants (would tenants in common mean that if I Passed away the property would automatically pass to the SMSF)?
    As long as the property was used as security this would be ok. You borrowed using your PPOR for example. Ownership structure is not that simple unfortunately.

    To elaborate: If the property is owned by the SMSF directly (i.e. legal title owned by the SMSF directly) then that property cannot be used as security for any borrowings.  Likewise when the property is owned via tenants in common – as the lender cannot mortgage against only 50% of the property – they have to have security over the full title.

    Based on the information you have provided, it may be possible for you to borrow and on-lend of the SMSF using a line of credit or loan against existing equity you already have.  You will still however need to set up the same custodian trust/holding trust to hold the legal title of the property and have appropriately drafted loan documentation.

    However, I believe it is preferable to utilise the bank as a direct lender and keep any equity you have available for other investments outside of the SMSF – especially if the SMSF has around 50% of the target property purchase price – the bank lending / approval process should be easy.

    g) Is there a restriction on how much (%) the fund can borrow? (the investment will be positively geared with minimal  borrowings ie < 20%). Yes Nil.

    There is no limit under the superannuation regulations.  However each bank will have a maximum LVR (loan-to-value-ratio) – typically 80%.  I have found that with residential property you need to provide between 35% and 40% of the purchase price to get the property to be cash flow positive before taking into account any tax advantages.

    h) Is the fund subject to CGT discount if the asset is sold pre-retirement age?
    Yes the concessional rate of CGT for a SMSF is 10%.

    As Richard said, if the property has been owned for more than 12 months, the gross capital gain will be taxed at 10% – which will be significantly cheaper than the CGT if it was held in your personal name or even in a trust.

    If any investments of the SMSF are used to support a pension, then the income and capital gains from that investment are tax exempt.  If you have a SMSF that is 'multi-generational' (i.e. parents and adult children in the same SMSF) then there are some awesome tax planning strategies that can potentially be utilised to wipe out any CGT – even if the property actually 'belongs' to the kids rather than the older, retired parents.

    i) Can the fund appoint a property manager & pay their fees for management? Does the agent have to be a non-related party ie not a beneficiary of the fund eg PTY LTD company? Yes the fund could use a local propery manager to perform the duties of management but would need to be a non related party. Could not be a Trustee of the fund.

    Once the SMSF has purchased a property (utilising an instalment warrant structure or not) then it basically runs exactly the same as an investment property held in your personal name.  This means the SMSF gets all the rental income and also has to pay all expenses including property manager fees.

    The agent could be a related party (i.e. if the members of the SMSF are real estate agents / property managers) and everything was done at arms length / market value.  The SMSF can also reimburse the trustees/members for any expenses incurred by them on behalf of the SMSF, however the SMSF cannot pay the trustees simply for being a trustee.

    In summary, if you are in the property management business and your SMSF property is treated exactly the same as other clients of your business then you will be fine, otherwise the ATO could interpret it as a sham arrangement for the members to derive a benefit before they retire.  This is the same if you pay a related Pty Ltd company.  

    j) Can a beneficiary undertake the work & be paid by the fund? (eg if licenced builder is not required for non-residential works)
    No.

    See above.  If you can validate the amount paid by the SMSF via alternative quotes then you may be OK – but I suggest seeking paid professional advice if you are unsure.

    k) Does the fund need to divest of the assets upon the death of one of the beneficiaries if there is insufficient cash to pay out the account? Not sure i understand the question but if you are saying that the Deed allows for a lump sum payment upon the death of one of the Trustees (Maximum 4) then Yes assuming the Fund does not have any other cash assets (this in itself would probably fail the Annual Audit regards to investment practise) the property would need to be sold.

    Very very good question – and I bet a question most people (even those who have property investments in their SMSF) have NOT asked! 

    This is a complex area that probably deserves an entire post to itself – some points however:

    – Yes – if there is insufficient cash and a lump sum benefit has to be paid, then the property would need to be sold to fund the lump sum death benefit payment

    – If it is a typical mum & dad SMSF and one partner dies, then the surviving spouse can take the benefit as a pension – meaning provided there is sufficient cash flow from the property to pay the pension, the property would NOT need to be sold

    – Life insurance policies can (and SHOULD) be taken out by the SMSF on the members and the cash from the proceeds of the policy can be used to pay the death benefit rather than having to sell the property provided that the SMSF has appropriate documentation such as a quality trust deed (not a $99 or $199 deed), a SMSF estate plan, minutes and the ability for the insurance proceeds to go into a 'reserve' within the SMSF rather than simply added to the members account

    – This is a complex area and it is essential you seek advice from an appropriately qualified SMSF specialist

    l) Who would be best to set up the smsf – solicitor, accountant or accountant with legal advice or solicitor with finanical advice?
    A good Accountant could set up the Deed however think you might need all 3 depending on what you eventually decide to do.

    Once again a very good question.

    Most accountants can easily set up an SMSF, however only a small % also have the necessary qualifications and experience regarding SMSF loans to be able to get the structure set up correct and (most importantly) get the finance approved with your chosen lender and get it through their solicitors.

    A couple of points:

    – Find an accountant that is also a SPAA specialist advisor (search here: SPAA)

    – Ensure that they use a trust deed and SMSF loan documentation (instalment warrant documentation and holding trust a.k.a. debt trust / property trust / custodian trust) that has previously been approved by your chosen or recommended lender

    – It is strongly suggested that you utilise companies as trustees for both your SMSF and your holding trust

    – Costs vary, however cheaper is definitely NOT better when it comes to SMSF borrowings – however for the HUGE amount of tax savings and superb asset protection it is definitely worth it – and these costs are paid by your SMSF

     

    Scott – I hope you find the above information helpful.

    If you (or any other PropertyInvesting.com readers) have any questions please do not hesitate to post them – chances are others will have exactly the same questions.

    Thanks

    Evolve


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    Just to throw another comment into this well supported space (RT and Evolve great posts).

    Advisors to DIY funds need to be licenced under the Cooper review published recently. That means that Acct and Law's need to hold a FULL Aust Financial Services licence to establish a SMSF. Also lending within SMSF is now considered a financial product, where as previously loans were not….so the regulation important with SMSF, as the costs of not complying could be exhausting.

    External trustees could be a better option – this enables the SMSF to run independantly but the external trustee provides all the updates required to the bare trust, compliance, custody and registry as well. Your SMSF is still entitled to all rights (income, capital movements) from the property, can lease and release and negotiate with the tenant, but you have less to worry about from an admin point of view.

    APRA funds, are "clayton" SMSF as the trustees are outsourcing the the majority of the investment decisions so with you have a "SELF" MSF it is only in name.

    The industry body SPAA is a good starting point for legislative updates.

    RT – can you PM me please.

    O

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    Yeah – a few comments and expansion:

    The exemption for Accountants (such as Chartered Accountants, CPAs & members of the NTIA) is currently still in place.  It is slated to be removed from 1 July 2012 – two years from now. 
    This is because the Government does not have a solid plan on how to replace the current exemption.

    The following is from a press release by Chris Bowen from 26/04/10:

    "The Government will consult with industry on an appropriate alternative to the current exemption, including a potentially a streamlined licensing regime, and there will be an
    appropriate transitional period
    "
    http://mfsscl.treasurer.gov.au/DisplayDocs.aspx?doc=pressreleases/2010/036.htm&pageID=003&min=ceba&Year=&DocType=0

    This means (at the moment) that for the next two years accountants can still do the following:

    • recommend that your client establish a SMSF
    • recommend that your client join a SMSF
    • provide a recommendation to a client on whether the client should acquire or dispose of an interest in a SMSF

    Opinion: Do I think this is a good change? Yes and no. 
    – Yes because it will prevent accountants who have almost zero knowledge on SMSFs giving advice on SMSFs
    – No because a lot of the time the accountant is the only person who has a full knowledge of the client's situation and whether an SMSF is appropriate for them, as opposed
       to a fresh financial planner with a  basic Diploma of Financial Services / RG146.

    I support the fact that the quality of advice given to the public in relation to SMSFs needs to be greatly improved – but unfortunately simply banning accountants from giving advice will not
    fix the problem because there is no direct relationship between the quality of advice and the holding of an AFSL – Storm Financial, Westpoint etc ring a bell?

    Another change the Chris Bowen has put forward (not law at the time of this post) has been to change the classification of a limited recourse borrowing arrangement as being
    a derivative security (same as swaps, futures and options).  This means even if an accountant holds an AFSL (or an authorised representative), that licence has to include
    derivatives – which many do not as it is a technical and specialised field.  This will also affect the banks that offer the limited recourse loans to clients.

    Will this mean an increase in fees in the area of SMSF loans / borrowings to purchase property?

    I believe no.  SMSF loans are a relatively new phenomenon and I have observed the costs decreasing steadily over the last few years.
    Advisers (such as accountants) will need to provide a statement of advice (SoA) document to clients in the future if the proposed changes go ahead – which may add some cost.
    SMSF trustees can still obtain a lot of value by educating themselves and then 'cherry picking' the services they want an adviser to provide. 

    In regards to utilising external trustees and APRA funds, sounds good in theory, however the costs involved would be extremely prohibitive. 

    SMSF trustees are better off enlisting the help of an adviser such as a financial planner or qualified accountant who are also appropriately qualified as SMSF Specialist
    Advisors with SPAA

    A final point is that the Cooper review is simply a list of recommendations for the entire superannuation industry (including SMSFs) which has been put together by a panel
    headed by Jeremy Cooper but which also included Meg Heffron to carry the SMSF banner.  At the moment none of the recommendations are law, and there will be extensively
    lobbying and compromises until workable and practical law changes are made (I expect and hope).

    SPAA is definitely a good place to start for media releases relating to SMSFs and the only place to find an SMSF Specialist Advisor in your area.

    I hope forum readers find this information helpful and relevant – but if there are any questions please don't be afraid to post them.

    Evolve

    p.s. – I am sorry for posting the large diagram in my previous post! 
    If one of the propertyinvesting.com admin can change it – please do!
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    In addition to Evolve's explanation with how to keep a property in a 4 member SMSF when a senior members die and death benefits need to be paid out. As pointed out insurance proceeds can help. Better yet is to set up a seperate reserve account in your SMSF with a seperate investment plan to ensure there is enough money to pay out the death benefit without selling the property (ies). Then there is also Keatings sleeping gift that treasury and the ato hate. The anti-detriment provision as follows

    The anti-detriment provisions potentially allow trustees to top-up or increase death benefit payments to dependants equal to an amount that would have been available if taxable contributions had not been included in assessable income of the fund.

    The anti-detriment payment is made by claiming a tax deduction to compensate for the previously paid contributions tax and associated lost earnings (not the whole death benefit). The benefits of this tax deduction are then passed onto dependants by way of increased death benefits.

    An anti-detriment payment is basically an adjustment to compensate for the reduction in lump sum death benefits caused by the introduction of the 15% tax on contribution and investment income from 1 July 1988 (previously all superannuation benefits were tax free). 

    The 15% tax on contributions and investment income was intended to bring forward tax on superannuation benefits, rather than increase the overall tax.  However, the new 15% tax meant that lump sum death benefits would be unintentionally reduced.

    Accordingly, the Government introduced the anti-detriment provision into the income tax law to effectively preserve the tax-free status of lump sum death benefits.  This is achieved by allowing the fund trustee to increase the death benefit paid to dependants, and then recoup the amount paid by way of tax deduction.

    To be eligible a number of conditions must be satisfied:

    • The fund has always been a complying superannuation fund (i.e., it has always been a regulated fund eligible for tax concessions);

    • A fund member has died;

    • The trustee makes a lump sum payment as a consequence of death from the accumulation or pension phase;

    • The anti-detriment payment is made to a member's spouse, ex-spouse or child; and

    • The Commissioner of Taxation is satisfied that the fund has passed on to the recipient the entire benefit that would accrue to the fund if a deduction was allowed.

    The ATO is of the view trustees are only entitled to an anti-detriment deduction where a dependant is entitled to receive a lump sum benefit (not pension benefits) however, the deduction can be claimed in respect of lump sum payments made from the pension phase, such as pension commutations or residual capital value payments.  The same applies to commutations or RCV payments from reversionary pensions (i.e., pensions which continue to a second income recipient upon death). The deduction can be used by the fund to be offset against future contributions tax and earnings.

    Care should be taken when a recontribution strategy is being undertaken to convert a member's superannuation interest to a fully tax exempt state as this is incompatible with
     an anti-detriment
    strategy
    Source :
    http://www.tranzacttotalsuper.com.au/Anti%20Detriment%20Provision.html

    We were lucky enough thanks to our family solicitor to set up a unit trust in 1994 that our super fund controlled and purchased the buildings our businesses run from. For 15 years we had to put up with regular lectures from accountants and so called investment advisors about how we were not diversified in our super fund because we only had commercial property. When the GFC arrived the fallicy of being diversified in equities that for so long we had argued would occur arrived. Our properties were paid out and we are now busy building cash and gold bullion reserves from the rental incomes.
    The internet is a wonderful resource for SMSF trustees to self educate

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    Just to follow on about the anti-detriment payment. When your super fund pays out the antidetriment payment it (the SMSF) is credited with a tax deduction that the remaining members in your SMSF gain and the tax deduction can be a gold mine for the remaining SMSF beneficaries.

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    Great info about the anti-detriment payments L.R.

    Pity you have to die to access them!

    But seriously, estate planning is important in a SMSF – especially with lumpy assets such as property.

    The anti-detriement reserves are a superb gift to give to future generations. The tax deduction (and more importantly the tax loss it creates) can amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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    Was googling investing in gold bullion in SMSF's and came across this post I had forgotten about. As part of our seperate reserve investment plan in our SMSF since June 2009 when we paid out the loans on our properties in the SMSF we have been purchasing gold bullion using the rental incomes as we have no time for the share market. We eventually plan to have 5% of our SMSF in gold bullion and 5% in cash.

    I have a bit of a giggle when I see the comment about direct property in an SMSF being clunky. When you look at all the frozen funds in REIT's and the sea of red ink in a diversified share portfolio's thank goodness for clunky investments like direct property and our purchase of direct gold bullion (it sorta clunks when you knock it together.

    The real point of this post is to remind investors that the US Federal reserve is printing fiat currency like there is no tomorrow. Our gold purchases are not an investment but rather a form of hedging to use to protect our property investments if our fiat currencies go pear shaped.

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