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  • Profile photo of jhk2770jhk2770
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    While on the topic, what are peoples views of vendor finance?  Is it any good or not really? What are the pitfalls to look out for?

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi jhk31

    My wife and I started our Vendor Finance residential real estate business in 2003.  Happily for us, I was able to give up my job early in 2009 and we are now both enjoying working in our Vendor Finance business full time.

    We'd suggest the main pitfall is believing that it's some form of get rich quick scheme.  Happily it's becoming more regulated by the new National Credit Code and this is helping to improve its image.

    A few web resources that may help in your search for information about vendor finance in residential real estate are:
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/strategies/wraps
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/strategies/lease-options
    http://www.jvpropertypartners.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=75
    http://www.vendorfinancelawyer.com.au/
    http://www.vendorfinance.asn.au/   The Vendor Finance Association of Australia

    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
    http://www.vendorfinanceinstitute.com.au
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    An alternative way to finance your home.

    Profile photo of TamarTamar
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    Hi jhk31,

    My partner Jack and myself have a similar story to Paul and Karen. We too started our vendor finance property business in 2003 – the worse possible time when the market was at its peak! However, we hung in there and we have been both full-time for some years now providing vendor financed houses to many happy homebuyers.

    These people don't qualify for a bank loan because they have credit issues (but still have good incomes) or simply don't have enough deposit! They are vendor financed into their homes by our Joint Venture Partners who are in a position to buy houses.

    It produces positive cash flow for our JV Partners (and us) and a home for these homebuyers. They can see the big picture of owning their home, being free from landlords and knowing that they'll be refinancing out to a bank in a few years time.

    So yes – it's good but, as Paul said, it's not a "get rich quick" scheme. We have many happy JV partners and homebuyers.
    Though, like life, issues do come up.

    It is a long term business that is fruitful and satisfying because it's a win-win-win situation for everyone involved.

    Cheers,
    Tamar

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    a. Where and how do you find property owners that are willing to participate in vendor financing
    b. How do you built trusting relationships with those property owners 
    c. Do you involve real estate agents to find vendors for you and offer them the opportunity to sell after reno, subdvision or development
    d. How do you show a track reord or reputation when you start out.
    e. When you started out, how long did it take before you did your first vendor financing.

    What are the 4 most important points to do when starting out!

    Thanks in advance for your comments!
    Regards
    ottg

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi ottg

    a.  Most of the properties we sell are purchased by our Joint Venture partners, i.e. they're bought with the intent of on selling them with Vendor Finance.
    b.  The trusting relationships build up over a period of time talking together and always being available to answer their many questions.  It's also important to have as many testimonials as possible and to encourage people to ring and talk with the people who gave the testimonials.
    c.  We normally sell the properties ourselves as we normally have two or three and sometimes more people wanting to buy the properties.  We don't usually reno, subdivide or develop.
    d.  When we started, we were lucky, i.e. we had some equity in our PPOR that we were able to use to buy the intial properties that we then on sold.  Obviously that equity didn't last forever but, by the time it ran out, people had noticed what we were doing and wanted to get involved.
    e.  We bought a Vendor Finance Manual at the end of 2002, while we were living in the Middle East as expats.  We then took a leap of faith and moved back to OZ in early 2003 to get started.  We ended up doing our first transaction later that year.

    1.  Get some good Vendor Finance (VF) education
    2.  Do not think of VF as a get rich quick scheme
    3.  Join the Vendor Finance Association of Australia  ( http://www.vendorfinance.asn.au )
    4.  Ensure you understand the requirements of the Consumer Credit Code.

    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
    http://www.vendorfinanceinstitute.com.au
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    An alternative way to finance your home.

    Profile photo of TamarTamar
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    Hi ottg,

    We had a similar path to Paul and Karen in that we had our own equity to start with so we build up a track record first.

    And we do the same as them too i.e. have our Joint Venture partners buy the properties which we then sell to our buyers on vendor finance.

    It was slow starting – probably took 9 months before we bought our first property and that was because we had a buyer who wanted us to buy it for him – a friend of a friend.

    To find people who want to sell their houses on vendor finance you need to find motivated sellers.

    Getting educated is an important part of the process – knowing what to say to people so that they feel comfortable about it as well as knowing what the process is, the legal requirements etc.

    Paul has given you good advice there.

    All the best,
    Tamar

    Profile photo of fredo_4305fredo_4305
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    If you already have an investment property I assume VF is still an option as a way of on-selling it?

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    Hi Fredo,

    Absolutely. It's a great way of selling it. You have ongoing cashflow from it as well as locked in profit.
    And you can sell it for more than market value because you are providing the finance.
    Feel free to give me a ring on 02 9560 8136.

    Cheers,
    Tamar

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi fredo

    As Tamar says, yes you can use vendor finance to sell existing investment properties you own.  We call this our negative2positive program.  Sandra, in the "Testimonials" area of our website, is a negative2positive client. 
     
    It's also important to note that different States have different rules regarding what you can and can't do with the mortgage you have on the property you're selling with an Instalment Contract (IC).  NSW will only allow you to refinance up to the new buyers debt level, i.e. you cannot refinance the property above what the new buyer currently owes you for the property.  In Victoria, once you enter into an IC for the sale of the property, you cannot increase the debt level of your mortgage on that property, until the sale has completed, i.e. until the new buyers have refinanced or sold the property.
     
    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
    http://www.vendorfinanceinstitute.com.au
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    An alternative way to finance your home.

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