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  • Profile photo of colliecollie
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    @collie
    Join Date: 2004
    Post Count: 60

    Hi all, just wondering if I could get some feedback on this deal.

    Property is located in an excellent growing regional area with a population of 90,000

    Here is the deal as it is now:
    11 Second Solution:
    Rent = 330
    Occupancy rate ‘2 Weeks’ = 96.15 Percent
    Solution = $158645.00
    Asking price = $240000

    Closing costs:
    Deposit 0 Percent = $0.00
    Legal fees = $800
    Stamp duty = $6890.00
    Mortgage app fees = $475
    Mortgage insurance = $0
    Valuation fees = $0
    Other borrowing costs = $400
    Clean up costs = $0
    Inspection costs = $300
    Other costs = $12000
    Total closing costs = $20865.00

    Mortgage details:
    Loan Principle and Interest = $240000.00
    Interest rate = .02 Percent
    Term = 20 Years
    Weekly mortgage repayments = $231.23
    Total repayments for life of loan = $240482.40

    Annual costs:
    Management fees 7 Percent = $1154.97
    Letting and advertising = $0
    Body corp fees = $0
    Rates = $3060
    Utility rates and fees = $0
    Insurance = $350
    Miscalanious costs = $0
    Land tax = $300
    Maintenance 5 Percent = $824.98
    Other ownership costs = $0
    Total annual costs = $5689.95

    Summary:
    Total annual rent = $16499.60
    Total annual mortgage = $12024.12
    Total annual costs = $5689.95
    Total annual cashflow = $-1214.47
    Total funded costs = $20865.00
    Risk free return = $834.60 Bank interest rate of 4 Percent.
    Annual Cash On Cash Return = -5.82 Percent
    Cashflow Positive Weekly = $-23.36

    Not that flash……………..
    But my plan is to buy block of flats, (not strat titled by the way) improve with new reverse cycle a/c and paint job, getting extra $15 rent per week on all units, they are currently @ 3 x 2br @ $85pw
    and 1 x 1br @75 pw which is very cheap
    new figures = with negotiating price to 230,000
    11 Second Solution:
    Rent = 390
    Occupancy rate ‘2 Weeks’ = 96.15 Percent
    Solution = $187495.00
    Asking price = $230000

    Closing costs:
    Deposit 0 Percent = $0.00
    Legal fees = $800
    Stamp duty = $6890.00
    Mortgage app fees = $475
    Mortgage insurance = $0
    Valuation fees = $0
    Other borrowing costs = $400
    Clean up costs = $0
    Inspection costs = $300
    Other costs = $11500
    Total closing costs = $20365.00
    Mortgage details:
    Loan Principle and Interest = $230000.00
    Interest rate = .02 Percent
    Term = 20 Years
    Weekly mortgage repayments = $221.60
    Total repayments for life of loan = $230462.40

    Annual costs:
    Management fees 7 Percent = $1365.00
    Letting and advertising = $0
    Body corp fees = $0
    Rates = $3060
    Utility rates and fees = $0
    Insurance = $350
    Miscalanious costs = $0
    Land tax = $300
    Maintenance 5 Percent = $975.00
    Other ownership costs = $0
    Total annual costs = $6050.00

    Summary:
    Total annual rent = $19500.00
    Total annual mortgage = $11523.12
    Total annual costs = $6050.00
    Total annual cashflow = $1926.88
    Total funded costs = $20365.00
    Risk free return = $814.60 Bank interest rate of 4 Percent.
    Annual Cash On Cash Return = 9.46 Percent
    Cashflow Positive Weekly = $37.06

    Now do you think this is a big risk for our first property?
    Should we just go for it?
    PS. These figures are based on using the interest free loan.
    Thanks for everyone’s feedback, I really appreciate it. [biggrin]

    collie

    Profile photo of byronent_2byronent_2
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    @byronent_2
    Join Date: 2004
    Post Count: 337

    No can you redo the figures with interest in case the interest free loan never eventuates.

    Byronent
    Adelaide SA

    Profile photo of betterbizbetterbiz
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    @betterbiz
    Join Date: 2003
    Post Count: 47

    When running the ‘numbers’ you don’t usually include the principal repayments of a loan.

    This exclusion would make the ‘deal’ (in fact ANY deal) extremely +’ve due to the nil interest rate.

    As Byronet suggests – factor in a real interest rate.

    If your financier IS able to do a 0% loan then all the better.

    I wanner believe in the Nil rate loan and the 100% of valuation BUT …..[blush2]

    Profile photo of crjcrj
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    @crj
    Join Date: 2004
    Post Count: 618

    If these are older flats, you’re probably going to have to factor in stuff like new kitchens at some stage in the future if you want to keep occupancy high.

    Any lawns to mow?

    I’ve got an older block of flats. Maintenance is probably closer to 10%.

    If you can build some equity quickly and have some contingency funds to cover some extra repairs close together, I’d consider it seriously.

    Profile photo of colliecollie
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    @collie
    Join Date: 2004
    Post Count: 60

    thanks for the replys, at 7% interest over 30 years it would cost us $64 per week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I must do this calculations before I get ahead of myself. :(
    I just seem to be going round and round in circles with this whole investing thing!
    Back to the drawing board, though I will still churn over this deal a bit more…………

    collie

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