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  • Profile photo of scotty3scotty3
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    Does anyone have any experience in claiming depreciation on a wrap property? The tax dept seems a bit vague on the issue and I would like some info from someone who has/hasn’t done it.

    Thanks

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    Scotty3

    The quick answer is neither if the property is held as trading stock ie not subject to CGT. This is because the expenditure is revenue in nature not capital so deprn cannot apply. ID 2003/377.
    If the sale is going to be subject to
    CGT then the person providing the vendor finance, the sellor, can claim the depreciation because that still have the legal interest until settlement.

    To decide whether the property is trading stock (revenue in nature) or an asset subject to CGT consider the following:
    Typical Features of a Wrap (Vendor Finance Arrangement)
    1) The purchaser pays a deposit at the time of entering into the arrangement.
    2) The settlement (change of the title deed to the purchaser) does not take place for several years after the arrangement is entered into.
    3) The purchaser has the right to occupy the property prior to settlement
    4) The purchaser pays a weekly amount (regardless of the name it is given in the arrangement) for the right to occupy the property
    5) As part of the arrangement the purchaser pays the rates, taxes and insurances on the property.
    6) The balance of the purchase price to be paid on settlement of the arrangement is reduced by the weekly instalments.
    7) If the purchaser fails to complete the arrangement the deposit and weekly instalments are forfeited.

    Now what about the profit on the sale of the property? Is that normal income or capital gain and when is it taxable? Assuming an agreement similar to that described above the answer to this question revolves around whether the vendor is in the business of selling houses or an investor just realising an investment. The key issues in differentiating here, according to ID2004/25, 26 & 27 are:
    1) The Vendor did not use the property for any other purpose than to enter into the wrap. A straight rental of a property before entering into a wrap arrangement would avoid this point.
    2) The property was sold at a profit
    3) The wrap arrangement was entered into within 6 months of the vendor purchasing the property.
    4) The Vendor is in the business of purchasing properties to resell. It would be difficult for the ATO to argue this case if the Vendor only bought and sold one property.

    If you are caught by all of the above then CGT cannot apply to the sale of the property as the profit on the sale is revenue in nature. If a transaction is caught as income, CGT does not apply or in other words CGT is the last option if income tax doesn’t catch it.

    As stated above if CGT does not apply you cannot claim depreciation.

    Julia Hartman
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    My wrap houses are treated as trading stock, and certainly my accountant has said we can’t claim depreciation.

    Keep smiling
    Felicity 8-)

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    Thanks Julia and Felicity. The jury is still out for me re. ‘trading stock’. Have sent another email to my accountant….
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    Depreciation is usually used if you are technically renting the propperty out… or you have Lease Optioned it to a party.

    as a Wrap is not renting and is actually a contracual agreement to purchase on installments (thus a sales contract has been drawn and stamps if applicable have been paid…) no Depreciation applys.

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