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  • Profile photo of Karl and RitaKarl and Rita
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    Hello all,

    I have read many books on real estate investin over the past year including:
    Real Estate Riches – Dolf de Roos
    Your Investment Property – Anita Bell
    Streets Ahead – Monique & Richard Wakelin
    More Wealth from Residential Property
    – Jan Somers
    and more.

    Steve’s book is really the only one which talks about ONLY investing in positively geared properties. Are these other books a waste of time? I’m getting information overload trying to figure out what is best, although the idea of positive gearing makes the most sense to me.[xx(]

    Any ideas on the matter would be appreciated.

    Karl

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    Hi Karl
    Only you can decide if they are a waste of time. All these people have done very well out of property.Is one way right well each author thinks their way is the right. One thing that is important is for you to feel comfortable about the way you want to invest Then go out and do it

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    I think the more books you read the better off you will be. No single book can provide you with all the answers or an easy path to wealth. Each book adds a little something to the others and helps you form your own individual style/goals.

    It’s a lot easier to slam a book than it is to actually write it.

    Another book I read that seemed quite okay to me was by Craig Turnball – Property Millionaire or similar title.

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    G’day Erika,

    I agree 100% with your comments. Every author/speaker has a slightly different strategy or approach, and you have to feel comfortable with that idea.

    For example Steve with wrapping. If you are not comfortable with the concept of wrapping, then part of Steves book may not be for you.

    Personally I love to “buy” stuff, and am always searching for bargains (motorcycles/computers/camera etc) so Dolfs book on “finding properties with a twist” and seeking out undervalued properties suited my “style” the most.

    In saying that I have picked up valuable advice from many other books and sources.

    Cheers,

    Battz

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    Hi Karl,

    I feel the same as you…. having read all of those books plus others too. It is like information overload. But it’s better than having too little information!!

    If you pick up a couple of different ideas from a book, then it’s probably worth the trouble of reading it.

    Lozza

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    A friend gave me a REALLY OLD book a while ago on property. I can’t remember the exact name of it, but it’s no longer in print and has been one of the best books as I’ve read so far. it talked about wraps, buy and hold and renovating. Gave great tips, checklists and even gave examples of how contracts are suggested to be drawn out.

    I’ll try dig it out if anyone is interested in the title and author.

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    ‘It’s Easy To Be A Property Millionaire’ by Craig Turnbull isn’t too bad. He does push -ve gearing a little but also advocates purchaseing +ve geared properties to balance things out. He followed it up with ‘It’s Easy To Be A Property Multi-Millionaire’ which I haven’t had a chance to read yet. I think I read about 9 books on property investing before I got to Steve’s, but I have definitely learnt at least a little something from all of them. It is easier to decide what is right for you personally if you have all the information, even if you now think it is wrong.

    Cheers

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    Hello Everyone,

    I have read all these books too and I must say that I have made great capital gains too. All these books inspired me that if these people could do it, I can too. I didnt have to reach the same heights. No price can be put on knowledge.I can only be thankful to Jan Summers and the rest for guiding me through their books.

    I had already reached the Dead End in -ve gearing.
    Steve’s book is an eye opener and relevant to my current situation. After all the Dead End doesnt have to be a Dead End. I have already read his book twice.

    I’m fascinated with Property and feel all hyped up once again. Also I dont remember reading about structuring before buying, I learnt it the hard way.
    Steve’s book also gives all the calculations and actual formulas & figures.

    I’m +vely geared now and how ever high I go, I’ll always be sincerely grateful to Steve for writing the book. Once again you cannot put a price on the wealth of knowledge provided in the book.

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    “Steve’s book is really the only one which talks about ONLY investing in positively geared properties. Are these other books a waste of time? I’m getting information overload trying to figure out what is best, although the idea of positive gearing makes the most sense to me”

    I think the answer to the first question is the reason why Steve was able to buy so many properties. Buying only positive cashflow properties meant he never maxed out his lending, because the income from the properties meant he wasn’t relying on his earned income to top up the loss.

    Not that you can’t make huge amounts with negative gearing,
    but as pusha so aptly said ‘I had already reached the Dead End in -ve gearing.”
    Which is when you can’t buy any more for the time being.

    You might be making mad capital gains but there’s a ceiling when you reach the limit of what the bank is prepared to lend you at a particular point in time. Therefore it’s finite. Or, you have to wait till either a) you earn more or b) your property goes up in value so your equity is greater.

    If you kept on only buying positive cashflow properties you can keep on buying more as long as you can find them! It’s unlimited. I think the other key to doing that (i.e. what the big-time guns do) is buying in structures (trusts and companies as corporate trustees) which you keep replicating.

    I don’t think any of the books are a waste of time. I have got heaps out of Dolf de Roos books as well as CDs of his seminar.

    To figure out what’s best for you, see what you are trying to achieve. If you have a high income job and want to keep working at it for a while and are paying lots of tax then who knows, buying in somewhere that went up 58 percent last year and may do something close this year (unless the property bubble bursts) could be a good thing.

    Whether a bubble is gonna burst is a whole-nother-thing (as they say in california!) which has been debated elsewhere and comes down to what do you believe? who really knows? What’s the risk?

    Positive cashflow properties carry a risk too, which is you don’t get a tenant.

    Ah, it’s all just a game of monopoly. As Dolf de Roos says property is very forgiving of ‘mistakes’ as long as you can hold for the long term. Certainly +ve cashflow properties would seem to me to be ‘safer’. A dollar now, or one in the future?
    i’ll take the dollar now. It’s worth more, for a start, plus I can start right away to reinvest it.

    cheers-
    Mini

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    I have also read a fair few property investing books. But Steve’s books is the only one that is spelt out in english, if u get what i mean. It is almot like the other authors of these books are only righting the books to make money off them, not worrying whether the reader understands or not. Whereas Steve’s book explains everything in th finest detils.
    Thats my 2 cents.
    Matt

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    Hi there,

    If I could put another spin on it…
    I have Jan Somers books, I have “Streets Ahead” (Wakelin), I have Bell’s books, I have many other investing books (including ‘finance for dummies’ [:0)]), but whilst I’ve read these books and they made sense, I’m not sure I can clearly remember the messages each book offered and after a while they all become a blurr (maybe that’s because I fell asleep whilst reading them [:D]).
    With Steve’s book, it’s an easy read and the messages are clear (Just as Phobia- Matt posted earlier).
    Besides, Steve’s book wins the prize for the best picture on the cover [:D][:D][:D]

    I guess the biggest test of an investing books worth, stems from the individuals perspective of whether or not it matches your goals and can you, after reading the book, go out and replicate the process and make money…Otherwise why buy this type of book in the first place?
    If you don’t want to do something and you just want to read something, why not just choose a Harry Potter book to read, because unless you want to learn something and go out and act on what you’ve learnt ..you’re just in fantasy world if you think any book is going to be of any worth!

    And no I haven’t been dancing with the fairies tonight [:0)][:0)][:0)]

    Okay, I’m being controversial…
    (I think it’s bed time) [:I]

    Sooshie [:)]

    “small steps make the journey” (SAS)

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    To respond to Sooshie, here’s the key messages I got from the books on my shelf:

    Wakelin’s ‘Streets Ahead’: Go for capital growth by buying quality inner city properties

    Fitgerald’s ‘7 steps to wealth’: Go for capital growth by buying inner-city properties with a large land component

    Somers (various books): Property investing can work at any time. Both growth and yield strategies will work equally well.

    Airey ‘The Property Investors Manual’: If you’re not over 35, don’t own your own home and are unwilling to personally fix leaking taps, don’t bother!

    Lomas: ‘How to create an income for life’: Go for cashflow positive (after tax), use depreciation tax benefits and don’t buy anything built before 1985.

    Bell: ‘Your Investment Property’: Don’t trust anyone – do your own due diligence. Scrimp and save, buy cheap properties and pay them off quickly.

    McKnight: ‘From 0 to 130’: Every property should put money in your pocket (before tax). Go for high returns so you can buy an unlimited number to become financially independent ASAP. Also consider alternatives like wrapping.

    Peter

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    Wow

    A lot of very good advice there, thanks everyone. I had to read through them twice just to remember what was posted [:)].

    Sooshie, I agree with you. It can only be a fantasy unless action is taken (we all know that, don’t we). My fiance and I are buying our 1st home now and are looking forward to getting started. I just have one more question about financing.

    I’ve read in a lot of the books I’ve got that you can STRUCTURE finance but can’t get my head around it (I’m just a casino games dealer, you know, money isn’t real [;)]).

    What works for investing? (as opposed to own home)

    Cheers,
    Karl

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