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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Thanks Marty,
Perhaps the</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/3/#post-4670841</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 04:40:32 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Marty,Perhaps the question of whether the ban is a good one or otherwise should be raised as a separate thread in the Opinion forum.However the issue raised by dbomber in this thread seems to be that he thought that break costs were exit fees, which of course they are. He also inferred that he thought exit fees were banned outright as the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-87204"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/3/#post-4670841" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/2/#post-4670837</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:26:54 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Terry,Sorry for your confusion. Your link goes to a third party website that is not the actual legislation. i.e.it&#039;s a repost for the universities, hence the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://corrigan.austlii.edu.au/austlii/disclaimers.html" rel="nofollow">disclaimer</a> it carries.Regardless, I had posted the link to the actual legislation (<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2011L00465" title="View the legislation" rel="nofollow">SLI 2011 No. 40</a>) back in the beginning which in itself confirms that break costs are Exit Fees.Again&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-249475"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/2/#post-4670837" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Finance</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:14:07 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks luke86 and you too Tracey B,However this isn&#039;t a battle with the banks, it&#039;s with the Federal Government. It also isn&#039;t waged on the basis of people who understood what they were getting themselves into (although I understand that people like Solomon10 think that they should have known what they are getting themselves into and should foot&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-249474"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/2/#post-4670835" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Finance</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:30:30 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday gibbo1,Also note my post linked to the actual current legislation <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2011L00465" title="View the legislation" rel="nofollow">SLI 2011 No. 40</a> rather than the resource linked by Terryw which carries an <a href="http://corrigan.austlii.edu.au/austlii/disclaimers.html" rel="nofollow">all care, no responsibility disclaimer</a>.You can also view the complaint to the Commonwealth Ombudsman on <a href="http://www.mortgagefreedebtfree.com.au/downloads/Commonwealth_Ombudsman_2012-05-01_FINAL.pdf" title="Exit Fee Ban" rel="nofollow">Exit Fees here</a> which I encourage you to do if you would like to research the issue and respond&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-249472"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/2/#post-4670832" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/2/#post-4670831</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:25:04 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TerrywNothing new in your post and it pays to look at the thread where way back in the beginning  I posted:</p>
<p>Michael.Lee wrote:<br />
Sorry Richard, you seem to be confused. What I said was:</p>
<p>Michael.Lee wrote:<br />
Break costs on a Fixed Rate are an Exit Fee as are Discharge Fees.</p>
<p>My reference to others who incorrectly say otherwise which creates the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-249471"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/2/#post-4670831" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/2/#post-4670827</link>
				<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 06:10:12 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Terry,Yes it&#039;s an Exit Fee which if the loan was struck today, ought be illegal according to the Government advertising.But the point to this topic is that it isn&#039;t illegal even today, even though it is clearly an Exit Fee and even though the Government claims that Exit Fees are banned on all new home loans.If your friend got caught out&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-249467"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/2/#post-4670827" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Solomon10,
I understand your</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 06:01:09 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solomon10,I understand your point of view and agree, but offer the following inputs to your thoughts.Excepting solicitors, most people who read contracts don&#039;t understand them and have those bits they don&#039;t understand explained to them by people they trust i.e. their bank manager, their mortgage broker. If the banks and the brokers are wriggling&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-235551"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/2/#post-4670826" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/2/#post-4670824</link>
				<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:27:15 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Terry,Not to get off point, you can read about me in <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/money/profile-michael-lee-20111018-1lttl.html" title="Michael Lee profile" rel="nofollow">SMH here</a>.No, I&#039;ve never been a &quot;refund broker&quot; and No, I&#039;ve never posted as &quot;The Mortgage Detective&quot; but Yes, my old username was mortgagedetective. However when I updated it to Michael.Lee my historical posts should have updated too.Although I must admit I don&#039;t know what &quot;coming off a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-249465"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/page/2/#post-4670824" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/#post-4670820</link>
				<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 04:56:37 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback Jamie, but there was more than one question and I think the others are more important.</p>
<p>dbomber wrote:<br />
Thanx James, so you agree with the bank? Isn&#039;t the brake charge an exit gfee?</p>
<p>The answer to this question seems to be that you side with the Banks and the Government on this and that&#039;s fair enough, however I see things&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-10452"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/#post-4670820" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/#post-4670817</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 10:26:14 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday yourokcproperty,I agree with your basic sentiment that disclosure is the issue, not the fee itself.Nonetheless, this is why it is such an issue that the Government, Banks and certain Brokers are insisting that Exit Fees are abolished and that certain fees historically and commonly understood as Exit Fees are, since the ban, somehow no&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-10449"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/#post-4670817" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic 85% finance in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406779-85-finance/#post-4671293</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 10:17:54 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Keiko. I was answering your question. 85% no LMI is possible still subject to my earlier comments.Cheers,Michael</p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/#post-4670816</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 02:15:27 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Richard, you seem to be confused. What I said was:</p>
<p>Michael.Lee wrote:<br />
Break costs on a Fixed Rate are an Exit Fee as are Discharge Fees.</p>
<p>My reference to others who incorrectly say otherwise which creates the confusion includes you:</p>
<p>Qlds007 wrote:<br />
As Jamie mentioned exit fee and fixed rate break fee are two totally different things.</p>
<p>They&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-10448"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/#post-4670816" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How to break a fixed rate exit fees in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/#post-4670813</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 00:57:58 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,You have every right to be confused. Besides you, Luke001 is the closest to the complete truth &#8211; i.e. that borrowers get caught out by the contradiction and misunderstanding.The broker responses here demonstrate why this is such a problem. Although many now claim Break Costs on Fixed Rate loans are not Exit Fees, it is widely acknowledged&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-10445"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406707-how-to-break-a-fixed-rate-exit-fees/#post-4670813" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic 85% finance in the forum Finance</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 00:44:08 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Keiko,Yes, however it will come down to the strength of your application which includes both the unchangeable material facts, which lenders are approached for the deal, your buying power and how your story is pitched.I just posted a moment ago about truly independent mortgage brokers. It&#039;s worth kicking some tyres there and asking them what&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-94281"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4406779-85-finance/#post-4671291" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Who will loan to SMSF to borrow for property at 40% LVR? in the forum Finance</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 00:34:14 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>House Call,Great you have found a solution.If you ever need SMSF funding, one of the leaders that I&#039;ve turned to for my articles (and most of the media has as well) is i-financial. Ugly website, but a good knowledge source at <a href="http://www.ifinancialgroup.com.au.All" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifinancialgroup.com.au.All</a> the best,Michael</p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Mortgage broker commission and trailing fees rebate in the forum Opinionated!</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/7/#post-4599676</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:23:10 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Terry and Greg, I seem to have confused you.A pro-consumer mortgage broker takes their fee from commissions and cashbacks 100% of the remainder. They are different to a Borrowers Agent. A Borrowers Agent doesn&#039;t have arrangements and is able to look at more than just shopping a deal. However when they do, they look at lenders directly as&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-203407"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/7/#post-4599676" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Mortgage broker commission and trailing fees rebate in the forum Opinionated!</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 06:13:31 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Gents,Firstly, there is a real difference between a shovel and a spade, one is for digging, the other is for shovelling.Similarly there is a real difference between a mortgage broker and a borrowers agent.A traditional broker works for commission and has no agency/loyalty contract with anyone. Traditional brokers are a significantly more&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-266518"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/6/#post-4599670" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Mortgage broker commission and trailing fees rebate in the forum Opinionated!</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:50:45 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Terry &amp; Richard,Yes.. there has been a username change to avoid confusion with the active mortgage broker called Mortgage Detective and simplify things. Nothing else of course has changed.Thanks for raising the example of a doctor Terry, but you are probably better off looking at the real estate industry for a distinction.A real estate&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-266515"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/6/#post-4599665" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Help with First IP and Equity from PPOR in the forum Finance</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:31:05 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Luke,Tax advice, estate planning and asset protection are all critical considerations in any investment decision.It&#039;s great to bandy about ideas however when the rubber hits the road, get individual advice and make sure that this advice is independent and from a suitably qualified professional offering a written opinion.Mortgage brokers&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-77000"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4405147-help-with-first-ip-and-equity-from-ppor/#post-4658627" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Help with First IP and Equity from PPOR in the forum Finance</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:59:50 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Phrix,Sorry for joining this party late, however I was on deadline for an article.St George are an interesting lender and I use one of their mortgage broker training flyers on my facebook page &#8211; the course is called &quot;Customers will do as they are sold&quot;.Although it&#039;s currently legal for any mortgage broker to claim independence there is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-76998"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4405147-help-with-first-ip-and-equity-from-ppor/#post-4658625" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Can I get a loan ? in the forum Finance</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:45:15 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Ferdinach,It seems toe me you have the tiger by the tail a little, so I hope this helps:1. Timing &#8211; An approval in principle takes no time at all and if you allow a week that should be plenty. However you have to make your loan selection before you make your application and you probably want to allow another week to skill up for this.1b.&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-260665"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4403247-can-i-get-a-loan/page/8/#post-4645009" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Mortgage broker commission and trailing fees rebate in the forum Opinionated!</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:20:40 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Pokeutpia,Back when I owned bSmart, I know that the brokers were able to arrange cash backs without a full refinance. The policy will vary from lender to lender and also on the skill and experience of your broker or borrowers agent.Although dealing with a regular cash back mortgage broker is fine, they still carry the bias hazards of&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-266512"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/6/#post-4599661" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 06:14:45 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan42,With respect, Alistair has declared that he charged a fee for his advice which means that it should be in the best interest of the client. Do you disagree with that idea?And what&#039;s this about a few bucks ? $32,000 in today&#039;s&#039; money according to your calculations on page 2 of this thread:</p>
<p>Dan42 wrote:<br />
What Alistair is saying is that the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-265045"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/5/#post-4599652" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 01:31:58 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Alistair,So what you are saying is your client paid you a fee for service as a financial planner to get advice on income and loan structure as he could have done with any other suitably qualified and licensed planner.If your client were a prudent investor as you seem to suggest, why wouldn&#039;t he have simply taken this advice (given he has&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-265043"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/5/#post-4599650" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Brokers Fees and Rebating in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4381539-brokers-fees-and-rebating/#post-4525286</link>
				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:10:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>e-stan,There are several different models in the market. You can read various opinions <a href="/forums/community/opinionated/4327225" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4381539-brokers-fees-and-rebating/#post-4525284</link>
				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:17:13 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Thanks Dan &#8211; My bad. That explains Richards signature.However it doesn&#039;t answer my question regarding:</p>
<p>Qlds007 wrote:<br />
I am aware of several major lenders who will not accept loans from these  brokers.</p>
<p>The situation in 2005 was then as it is now. The rumour was not correct, as far as I can determine, even in 2005. The rebate brokers that I&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-101205"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4381539-brokers-fees-and-rebating/#post-4525284" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:32:39 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qlds007 wrote:<br />
I am aware of several major lenders who will not accept loans from these brokers.</p>
<p>Richard,I think you&#039;ve been misled and are perpetuating a false rumour.  For the sake of setting the record straight and keeping yourself clear of the TPA, will you please add:The source of your knowledgeWhich lenders are you referring to and;Who /&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-101203"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4381539-brokers-fees-and-rebating/#post-4525282" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/5/#post-4599642</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:28:34 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan42 wrote:<br />
If you took the rebates as cash, the value would be much, much less.</p>
<p>Gidday Dan42Some brokers direct deposit to your loan on a monthly basis unless otherwise directed so it is as close to cash as you can get.It&#039;s probably fairer and perhaps more accurate to say if you redraw the cash from the loan account, the interest and finance&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-265039"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/5/#post-4599642" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:02:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Whoper123,Yes that saving was the present value for the $80,000 saving on the sample loan.It was calculated by Dan42 after feedback that the saving should be subject to discounted cash flow analysis, although it&#039;s fair to say that using discounting methods is not standard mortgage industry practice when making comparisons. (I&#039;m not saying&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-265038"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/5/#post-4599640" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 03:40:10 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Eloi,Sorry, you lost me&#8230;</p>
<p>eloi wrote:<br />
Your argument is tottally thoughtless. Without the commissions brokers get there would be no brokers thus there would be no better deal for borrowers.</p>
<p>My argument was that <strong>commissions should continue</strong> which is why I wrote that&#8230;</p>
<p>mortgagedetective wrote:<br />
I don&#039;t agree that commissions should be done&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-265037"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/5/#post-4599637" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/4/#post-4599633</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 03:10:28 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AIF QLD wrote:<br />
My first question to you all is how do you value great advice?.</p>
<p>Good question Trent and this is one of the points I raised somewhere way back in the beginning!</p>
<p>AIF QLD wrote:<br />
Personally i feel broker commissions should be done away with altogether and a service fee should be charged instead. Just like an accountant, solicitor,&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-258386"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/4/#post-4599633" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Refund home loans the broker on Today Tonight - Any comments? in the forum Gidday,
For those who are</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4399094-refund-home-loans-the-broker-on-today-tonight-any-comments/#post-4619154</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:04:40 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday,For those who are mildly curious, I have now sourced the most reliable indicator (remembering it is all statistics) and that number is 6.2 years.The source is Fujitsu Consulting and the official statement is:<em><a href="http://www.fujitsu.com/au/services/industries/financial/" rel="nofollow">&quot;Fujitsu</a>  maintains a marker model for the Australian Mortgage Industry which  tracks consumer behaviour across the sector. The&hellip;</em><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-151087"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4399094-refund-home-loans-the-broker-on-today-tonight-any-comments/#post-4619154" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Refund home loans the broker on Today Tonight - Any comments? in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4399094-refund-home-loans-the-broker-on-today-tonight-any-comments/#post-4619151</link>
				<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:29:52 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick note of clarification on the MFAA&#039;s estimate of 4-5 years, I now have an informal response from Phil which explains that the estimate:&quot;<span>&#8230; was based on info from lenders.  However bear in mind that lenders classify each  refi internally, or pay out for a refi elsewhere, or often changes to loans as  new loans so this brings the&hellip;</span><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-206952"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4399094-refund-home-loans-the-broker-on-today-tonight-any-comments/#post-4619151" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Refund home loans the broker on Today Tonight - Any comments? in the forum Thanks also for the MFAA</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4399094-refund-home-loans-the-broker-on-today-tonight-any-comments/#post-4619150</link>
				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:58:21 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks also for the MFAA reference. This seems to fit better with Spiro&#8217;s experience at least.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll double check with Phil and see where they get that stat from. Sorry I didn&#8217;t think of him in the first place! I can&#8217;t see the forest for the trees sometimes.</p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Refund home loans the broker on Today Tonight - Any comments? in the forum Gidday Dan,
Thanks for the</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:55:37 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Dan,</p>
<p>Thanks for the pickup, fat fingers on that one. The percentage is 0.5% or one in two hundred or 50 in 10,000.</p>
<p>My instinct tells me that their churn rate is low because their approach is so radically different to the mainstream lenders and brokers.</p>
<p>Which brings me back to my original post and that is, does anyone have a reliable stat&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-137484"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4399094-refund-home-loans-the-broker-on-today-tonight-any-comments/#post-4619149" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Refund home loans the broker on Today Tonight - Any comments? in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4399094-refund-home-loans-the-broker-on-today-tonight-any-comments/#post-4619146</link>
				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:33:24 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Spiro,</p>
<p>Your insight is excellent. Do you have an age and source for the 3.5 year statistic?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s seeming more like an urban myth based on the broker stats I mentioned and your own portfolio.</p>
<p>Does anyone have any suggestions of other forums or sources where I might be able to get to the bottom of this?</p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Refund home loans the broker on Today Tonight - Any comments? in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4399094-refund-home-loans-the-broker-on-today-tonight-any-comments/#post-4619144</link>
				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:13:43 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Terry,Another broker has provided me their book data ($b) in operation for 8 years which shows less than 0.05% of their book refinancing within that time. Of those that refinanced, the average life of loan was still closer to the 5 year mark, which means their moving average is more like 7.98 years and growing.I would imagine that those&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-206948"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4399094-refund-home-loans-the-broker-on-today-tonight-any-comments/#post-4619144" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Refund home loans the broker on Today Tonight - Any comments? in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4399094-refund-home-loans-the-broker-on-today-tonight-any-comments/#post-4619142</link>
				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:45:39 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks God of Money,What is it that drives such a short finance cycle, is it simply that you have a buy/sell cycle or is there something else happening that triggers refinance?</p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Refund home loans the broker on Today Tonight - Any comments? in the forum Finance</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4399094-refund-home-loans-the-broker-on-today-tonight-any-comments/#post-4619140</link>
				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:43:17 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks CRJ,Do you keep returning to 0 equity? What&#039;s behind your strategy to keep re-establishing new loans?Can you also tell me the source for your 7 year stat? I&#039;m pretty shocked by that one too.Thanks again,</p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Mortgage broker commission and trailing fees rebate in the forum Opinionated!</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/4/#post-4599627</link>
				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Terry,What a coincidence, I have actually used that exact analogy in my book!However with brokers it&#039;s more like you’re paying the Prosecution who is bribing the barrister who is meant to be defending you. Add to that the question of whether they are even qualified to offer that advice in the first place and well&#8230;.It seems we agree that i&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-258383"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/4/#post-4599627" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Mortgage broker commission and trailing fees rebate in the forum Gidday Terry,
During this</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:46:24 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Terry,During this post, I have asked for a way of objectively measuring the quality of the broker so that borrowers would then be better able to understand why some charge $81,000 more over the life of a loan than others.The assumption that you and others like you continue to rely on is that if you pay the highest price, you must be getting&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-117443"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/4/#post-4599625" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Mortgage broker commission and trailing fees rebate in the forum Gidday</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:07:13 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Gidday Singer,Actually, now the analogy fits even better. It is quite difficult, often costly and sometimes impossible for the average person to know whether that renovation is a quality one or not. It&#039;s not unheard of for great tiles to cover up atrocious structural workmanship, a glossy bench which is a wafer thin veneer over an old dodgy on&hellip;</span><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-217273"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/4/#post-4599623" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Mortgage broker commission and trailing fees rebate in the forum Gidday Singer,
That's fair</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:19:17 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Singer,That&#039;s fair enough too. Of course it&#039;s like saying&quot;I wouldn&#039;t dream of offering $32,000 below the asking price After all they&#039;ve gone to the trouble of renovating and used their expertise to get the colours right&#8230; I&#039;m not that good with colours&quot;No matter what your situation, if you&#039;re smart enough to choose property, then you&#039;re&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-226382"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/4/#post-4599621" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Mortgage broker commission and trailing fees rebate in the forum Sorry Hans,
There doesn't</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:01:30 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Hans,There doesn&#039;t seem to be any information on your site about mortgage rebates paid to the borrower.The thread was started on this topic and the most recent discussion was around finding the right words to explain the benefit of this over retail brokers (See my last post)</p>
<p>mortgagedetective wrote:<br />
<strong>Brokers that don&#039;t pay mortgage rebates&hellip;</strong><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-154918"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/4/#post-4599619" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:14:43 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Black Knight Mo&#8230;A difficult read, but thanks for the input. Three quick corrections. (i)   I am primarily concerned with the borrowers rights, everything else runs a distant second.(ii)  I support mortgage brokers doing the right thing and believe they are important to providing competitive tension.(iii) Lenders don&#039;t &quot;feed me&quot; nor mor&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-258379"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4395485-mortgage-broker-commission-and-trailing-fees-rebate/page/4/#post-4599617" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic How much income should I show? Get your calculators out its a bit confusing. in the forum Jazz77,
I could be wrong,</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:21:12 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazz77,I could be wrong, however I thought if you are reporting on an Accrual basis it is taxed on Invoice date and if like many SME&#039;s you are reporting on a Cash basis, income is based on Paid date. I&#039;m no tax attorney, however the concept of shifting this bookwork around sounds alarmingly illegal to me and you should seek professional tax&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-165143"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4397138-how-much-income-should-i-show-get-your-calculators-out-its-a-bit-confusing/#post-4608611" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Advice please in the forum Finance</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:01:52 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gidday Badger,I avoid recommending one of any over another as their experience and your requirements can vary wildly.Caveate Emptor &#8211; Just make sure you fully check out the folks you&#039;re interested in before you sign up for anything.Although there&#039;s no central repository for accountants or mortgage brokers per se, there is one, of sorts, for&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-34998"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4397142-advice-please-16/#post-4608632" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Pay LMI or create LOC for deposit on 2nd IP?? in the forum StumpCam,
This doesn't</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4397057-pay-lmi-or-create-loc-for-deposit-on-2nd-ip/page/2/#post-4608264</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:03:15 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StumpCam,This doesn&#039;t answer the question to Kenny, however the ATO link also notes:<strong>21. Where a taxpayer makes repayments over and above the required minimum payment and the line of credit facility comprises one mixed purpose sub-account only, the taxpayer cannot choose to notionally allocate the repayments to a particular portion of the total&hellip;</strong><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-206179"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4397057-pay-lmi-or-create-loc-for-deposit-on-2nd-ip/page/2/#post-4608264" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Pay LMI or create LOC for deposit on 2nd IP?? in the forum Great comment Kenny and</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4397057-pay-lmi-or-create-loc-for-deposit-on-2nd-ip/page/2/#post-4608262</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:56:45 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment Kenny and valuable advice.Always get your information form the horses mouth, and get it in writing.</p>
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				<title>Michael.Lee replied to the topic Pay LMI or create LOC for deposit on 2nd IP?? in the forum Thanks Kenny and StumpCam,
I</title>
				<link>https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4397057-pay-lmi-or-create-loc-for-deposit-on-2nd-ip/page/2/#post-4608260</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:48:47 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kenny and StumpCam,I appreciate feedback, support and challenges.The GFC has touched most of us StumpCam, a small, but noteworthy consolationKenny &#8211; My answer comes in two parts. The first is that my accountant guided me out of a similar situation, so first hand experience over the last few years. It wasn&#039;t specifically in relation to an&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-212333"><a href="https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4397057-pay-lmi-or-create-loc-for-deposit-on-2nd-ip/page/2/#post-4608260" rel="nofollow">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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