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  • Profile photo of propertyjockeypropertyjockey
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    Hi all,

    What are the best market conditions for a wrap?

    PJ

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi PJ

    A period of high capital growth.  This is because it enables your VF buyers to refinance as soon as possible and give you your back-end profit, i.e. the difference between what you bought the propery for and what you on-sold it for, less what they've paid off while they were with you.

    However, interestingly ;-) we manged to start 2003 and, of course, at the end of 2003, capital gain in NSW slowed dramatically and hasn't done terribly well since.  This has forced us to structure our VF business so it works well in both high and low capital gain environments.

    Cheers,  Paul

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    Profile photo of propertyjockeypropertyjockey
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    Paul,

    Can you offer some insight into your comment; 

    "……….This has forced us to structure our VF business so it works well in both high and low capital gain environments."

    How have you done this?

    Also,

    Capital gain isn't always at the top of the list for clients is it?

    PJ

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi PJ

    Some aspects of our business we will keep confidential ;-)  However in relation to your question about our VF buyers attitude towards capital gains, I'd say it's almost non existant.  Normally our buyers have been locked out of home ownership for some time because of their inability to get a traditional home loan and they're usually pretty unhappy about that sittuation.

    Their focus becomes home ownership.  They know they pay a premium price when they buy from a vendor financier but it doesn't seem to worry them.  I've told buyers what I've paid for a property and they certainly know how much it's costing them.  Their response, almost without fail is, "you've got to make your money" and we move on.  They also know they would probably never save the deposits required by traditional lenders, so they've worked out that, over time, they'll recover the premium they've paid.

    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
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    Profile photo of propertyjockeypropertyjockey
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    Paul,

    Thanks for confirming my thoughts.

    I am guessing your strategy for operating under any market condition is to take the stance you are not playing the VF game for capital gain and your VF clients are only interested in setting up a credit history.

    The knowledge your interest payments for your prime B&H properties are covered and when the VF deal closes out a lump sum to drive your LVL on your prime B&H down is all you are focused on. This gives you a good spring board into setting up more VF deals to service another quality B&H or value add to your original B&H.

    Cheers
    PJ

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