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  • Profile photo of MuzzaMuzza
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    @ahipara
    Join Date: 2018
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    I have a property in Brisbane located in Wooloowin 4030. 405m2 2 bed cottage little Qlder which is currently rented.

    This property has risen in value 25% in 4 years and I have done nothing. It is primed to raise and extend which would cost about $250k- $300k from quotes into a 4 bed.

    I moved to the outskirts Redland Bay after buying a business because of not wanting to commute and rent there.

    Speaking to my broker I can afford to buy another house up to $600k which gets you nothing close to the city (I don’t do apartments) so I have been looking out this way in Redlands area.

    The issue I have buying out in Redlands if you look at the past sales history the land values have not moved in 7 years. Also there is a lot of land that is getting developed so no shortage of houses.

    My questions are:

    Should I buy a house or renovate the one I have?

    Thanks in advance

    Profile photo of BennyBenny
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    @benny
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    Hi Muzza,
    Welcome aboard. That’s an interesting suite of questions, but in thinking around them, they lead me to question you even more – take a look at my thoughts:-

    1. You don’t mention current value or rent of a 2bdr in Wooloowin. But you said $250-300k to lift/expand it to a 4bdr. I took a quick look at re.com.au and it tells me a few things:-
    a. That this is a high-value market, thus (depending on current value) it “might” be beneficial to do the reno/expansion – but that would depend on its value now. e.g. If it is valued at $300k now, then by spending $300k it seems you would increase the value by around $500k (good value!). But if it is valued at $600k now, spending another $300k might be over-capitalising. Hey, that is a rough guess, but it is something to think on.

    b. The stats on re.com.au show me that the Wooloowin market appears to be growing in value – the Median showing for a 3bdr in that area is $807k, but recent sales show $870k. It also says this is a “high demand area” with many wanting to buy there. A quick call to an agent should confirm much of this.

    c. There was no median data for a 2bdr – is this a low demand size there? Are the likely tenants all families in that area? Who is renting it currently? And what is the current rent? Data says median is $420/week for a 2bdr, $470 for a 3bdr, but $700 for a 4bdr ????? So, are 4bdr’s in high demand and low supply? That could be a “tick” when considering whether to reno/expand this place. At $700 a week, this could be nearing 5% return instead of the 3% of a 3bdr……

    Muzza, a question or two re this quote of yours:-

    I moved to the outskirts Redland Bay after buying a business because of not wanting to commute and rent there.

    What if it were to prove more financially beneficial to you to buy an investment AND rent yourself? Many do this (search for “rentvesting” to get an idea of how it works). There are several benefits to doing it – but, of course, there are also benefits in owning a PPOR too. The decision must be yours, but seek out all the facts of both ways first. As one example, IF the Wooloowin property is your current PPOR (i.e. you lived there) then talk with your adviser about Tax Exemption for 6 years after moving out of a PPOR. And also ask all around you renting while still owning IP’s – and how that can assist you (and work against you too). The answers could surprise you.

    Have a good read of that PM I sent, and the link to the “big picture” topic. There are lots of good posts around PPOR and benefits for and against. Check the Index on the first page of that link.

    Feel free to pop back to either add more info, or to ask more questions (we don’t bite unless you ask us nicely…. :p )

    Benny

    Profile photo of MuzzaMuzza
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    @ahipara
    Join Date: 2018
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    Thanks Benny very much for your reply and glad I come across this site.

    You made a point which I have realised regarding over capitalising. The house was bought for $550k and the last value was $700k so may not be a stretch to get $750k.Currently rented for $450p/w. Brisbane is flooded with apartments which has effected the rental market but less houses seem to be available as I have rented it out twice and gone in 2 days.

    This is why what you said, and why I haven’t done anything is that if I go and spend $300k then I am up around the $1m area and then there are a few options for buyers although the street next me has sold houses on 405m2 for $1.4m but obviously amazing houses.

    The reason there is not much data on 2bed’s in the area as there are not many around any more so hence to get into the area the young professionals will be fighting over the cheapest ones which is what I did when I bought it. Those that can afford $1m+ have more options.

    I have not looked not what you are saying about the rental market for a 4bed so I will look into that. Also I am a believer of buy where you want to invest and rent where you want to live.

    Yes it is my PPOR and I have been away for 2 years so I have got another 4years before having to get back in for a while.

    I will keep going through some of the interesting articles in the forum.

    Thanks again for the response.

    Muzza

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    @jaxona
    Join Date: 2014
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    Muzzo Benny is the man! knows his stuff so I would read and Reread anything he sends you.

    I think the answer will be self evident once you understand your long term goals and workout the pros and con of both options and even some other ones, I would get quotes for both options, look at the growth potential, rental returns and other benefits and also cons.

    one you clearly have a well established idea of both paths then you should see the benefit of each and know which fits you.

    Happy to have a chat if you would like.

    Kind regards

    Jaxon Avery

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