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  • Profile photo of kevrenokevreno
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    Do i need to open a separate bank account for investing

    Profile photo of Rental ProfitsRental Profits
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    generally yes, it is easier for record keeping but not totally necessary

    ask your banker

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    No. You should be using a 100% offset account attached to your home loan to save non deductible interest.

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    If you have multiple IP loans with the same bank.
    For this example you do not own a PPOR.

    Would you ever setup more than one offset account?

    Cheers,
    Adrian

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    If you had no PPOR then you could have multiple offset accounts if you wished – eg you may want to save 20% of your salary into a separate account for budgetting reasons etc.

    But just watch out for fees.

    But if you had a PPOR then i suggest 1 account so you can be the maximum interest and tax savings.

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    Kevreno … i set up an account for each single investment, though it may be several apartments within the investment. That allows me to keep precise accounting records for each investment, based purely on bank statements. It also allows me to enumerate who has paid and who hasnt paid based on the entry in the account.

    For tax purposes it also provides a single set of entries that need to be chased down when looking for rents receipts and expenses.

    For record keeping purposes i can go back over the statements and work out what was spent on what before i approach my accountant.

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    Sorry to revive an old thread..

    Im trying to work out what banking solution would be best to use to purchase multiple IP's.  My mortgage broker recommended buying my property with a package account (with offset facility) from one of the 'big four' and im wondering whether to renew it again to purchase my second IP, or take out a new loan with a totally different (and cheaper!) lender. 

    Tossing up because the annual package fee is expensive, although taking out a new loan with a different lender would rack up perhaps $600 in start up fees.

    Im going to use the equity in my first IP to finance the second one, though I need to get it valuated first.

    Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

    Renae

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    xdrew wrote:
    Kevreno … i set up an account for each single investment, though it may be several apartments within the investment. That allows me to keep precise accounting records for each investment, based purely on bank statements. It also allows me to enumerate who has paid and who hasnt paid based on the entry in the account.

    For tax purposes it also provides a single set of entries that need to be chased down when looking for rents receipts and expenses.

    For record keeping purposes i can go back over the statements and work out what was spent on what before i approach my accountant.

    OMG. That would mess with my head. I do have loans separate but I have one account that the rent goes into and bills (including interest)  are paid from. That way it's easy to keep track of ins and outs. I put all transactions on a spreadsheet for each property.

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Hi Renae

    It's difficult to comment based on the info above.

    Cheaper doesn't always mean better (it rarely does). 

    It all comes down to what you need in the loan and what your longer term plans are.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Packages from lenders usually allow multiple loans under the one annual fee. So the added costs associated with taking out a new loan with a "cheaper" lender does not mean it will be better in the long run.

    It's much the same as with Wayne Swan's broken record about "walking down the road to find a better deal" every time the banks don't pass on the full interest rate cut. Funny that he hasn't told people how to actually do it! Possibly comes down to the fact that there are costs involved when "walking down the road" and that in most cases it will cost more than the saving.

    Cheers

    Tom

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    It is quite annoying how they harped on about removing Deferred Establishment Fees but don't mention that there are still discharge fees, state Govt. fees, break costs if the loan is fixed, etc. It's not a simple $0 bail out from one lender to the next.

    At least some lenders are providing cash rebates which usually cover most of the transaction costs of the refinance.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Hi Renae

    There are a few lenders out there that offer better than packaged rates without any application or ongoing fees.

    It is horses for course.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    That would require the government telling the truth, heaven forbid!

    Cheers

    Tom

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    Wow thanks Jamie, Tom and Richard for the advice, I didnt think I'd get four replies so quickly.

    I think I'll stick with Breakfree. I was concerned because I only have one small mortgage and it seemed like I wasnt getting 'value for money' with this package. Though I've just read on ANZ's website that you can have up to five residential home loans with Breakfree and avoid loan approval fees and loan admin charges.  I guess that makes the fee work a bit harder for me when I purchase IP#2.

    Thanks again

    Hey Richard any chance you could forward me a copy of the interview in your sig please?

    cheers

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    Admittedly there are no federal taxes otherwise i’d say there was a vested interest.

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    I like the ANZ b/free package.

    Generally speaking, there an easy lender to deal with when accessing equity because their policy in this area is quite transparent. Valuations can be ordered upfront and the loan product itself is pretty good.

    Like you mentioned, when you increase your borrowings under the package you'll be entitled to a larger rate discount (which depending on the size of the borrowings can possibly be negotiated down further).

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    delbs19 wrote:
    Wow thanks Jamie, Tom and Richard for the advice, I didnt think I'd get four replies so quickly.

    I think I'll stick with Breakfree. I was concerned because I only have one small mortgage and it seemed like I wasnt getting 'value for money' with this package. Though I've just read on ANZ's website that you can have up to five residential home loans with Breakfree and avoid loan approval fees and loan admin charges.  I guess that makes the fee work a bit harder for me when I purchase IP#2.

    Thanks again

    Hey Richard any chance you could forward me a copy of the interview in your sig please?

    cheers

    The maximum 5 loans under the Breakfree package will actually become unlimited from mid next month.

    Cheers

    Tom

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Hi delbs

    Can you drop me an email directly or Pm me your email address and I would be happy to let you have a copy of my API interview.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    my email address is [email protected]

    Thanks for getting back to me Richard :)

    Qlds007 wrote:
    Hi delbs

    Can you drop me an email directly or Pm me your email address and I would be happy to let you have a copy of my API interview.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

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    Hi delbs

    Just emailed it to you from my gmail address as i am at home.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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