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    Hi Everyone,

    Looking to buy first investment property in near future and trying to decide which investing strategy I would like to focus on.

    I am very interested in Vendor Financing as my chosen method but I am a little confused and don't really know the best way to get started with this strategy.

    I live in Perth, WA so was wondering if anyone knows of any companies/persons that specialise in Vendor Finance that are based here in Perth? I would like to meet them and discuss our options.

    Thanks in advance,

    Dkb87.

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi Dkb87

    The Vendor Finance Association is a great place to meet vendor financiers in Perth.  Dates and details of Perth VFA meetings are available at:  http://vendorfinance.asn.au/meetings-and-memberships/

    I believe it's important to build a good foundation to your vendor finance knowledge and there are numerous educators to choose from.  Some that spring to mind are:
    Sean Summerville  –  http://www.thepropertyking.com.au/
    Rick Otton  –  http://www.rickotton.com/
    Dave & Julie Siacci  –  https://vendorfinanceinstitute.com.au/home/siacci-system-of-vendor-finance-1997/
    Paul Zalitis  –  http://www.aussiewrapper.com.au/Cash-Flow-Investing.html
    Gordon Ku  –  http://gordonku.com/
    It is worthwhile researching all these educators and choosing one that suits your style.

    May I also suggest that you do some research about buying with VF.  Some suggested places to start are:
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/strategies/wraps
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/strategies/lease-options
    http://negative2positive.com.au/information/about-vendor-finance
    http://www.vendorfinancelawyer.com.au/vendor_finance_intro.htm

    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
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    Hi Paul,

    Thanks for the information, much appreciated. I will check out those links and make some notes.

    Cheers,
    Daniel.

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    Just remember that vendor financing can be complex, and there are not too many sellers that would be willing to go ahead with it. I've tried it myself and many sellers have very traditional thinking about selling their property

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi matt

    Absolutely agree that many sellers have very traditional attitudes to selling their properties but, so far today, I've had two landlords ring me, interested in selling their poor performing IP's in St. Kilda East, Vic and The Entrance, NSW.

    With capital gain as it currently is, we're getting three to four of these enquiries per week.

    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
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    Hi Matt, Hi Paul.

    Perhaps I should have been more clear with my intentions. I was thinking of purchasing an investment property and then selling it using vendor finance to create a positive cashflow. Then I would repeat process again and again. I would like to use this strategy as my chosen method to focus on to build up a good cashflow stream. I'm still new to vendor finance though so atm I am just researching as much as possible and looking at all the links Paul has provided and also reading books on this subject.

    What do you guys think about all this? Any feedback is much appreciated.

    Cheers,
    Dkb87

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi Dkb87

    That's how we started, i.e. we had some equity in our home and we bought some properties and on-sold them with vendor finance (VF).  However it didn't take us long to realise that we were just setting up a cash flow business.

    We always believed that our long term wealth would come from the equity we own in property.  So, initially, we used this positive VF cash flow to support our buy and hold portfolio building.  It was later, as the cash flow accelerated that we were able to use the cash flow to support our buy & holds and our lifestyle.

    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
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    That sounds like a great strategy Paul and is pretty much the direction I would like to go down too. We don't really have any equity built up yet in our home as we only just bought it recently, so we are trying to save up for a deposit for our first IP.

    Does your company offer any training or products on the way you invest using VF?

    Cheers,
    Dkb87

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi Dkb87

    Your situation is about the same as ours after we did our first 3 or 4 transactions, i.e. we were out of useable equity (money).  We say we started the lazy way, i.e. using equity, but it was good to experience the mistakes we made in buying properties and on-selling them.

    In the end most of us end up without money wondering where to start or go next.  That's when you really 'learn' this business.  We ended up with two cores to our business.  See jvpropertypartners and negative2positive (in our signature below).

    We're also big on suggesting that people getting into this business get some good vendor finance foundational education.  However while these courses will give you the 'how to' they sometimes come up short on the 'how to legally'.  We setup the Vendor Finance Institute with a range of products and tools to help vendor financiers remain compliant with the rules that regulate the industry.

    Regulation of the industry is relatively new and some old hands are resisting somewhat  ;-)  The great thing for someone coming into the industry now is that the regulatory framework we now operate in, will be 'standard' for you.  And, believe it or not, we've actually found the regs easy to work with and sometimes they've even made our business easier.  Hard to believe I know  ;-)  but that's been our experience.

    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
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    Thanks Paul, your comments are very helpful. I'll check out your websites and I also just bought "how to buy a house for a $1" by rick otton so ill get stuck into that.

    As you mentioned I need to build up my education about Vendor Finance as I understand there is a lot of legalities surrounding it. I'm just very interested in this investing method and would love to give it a crack :)

    Cheers,
    Dkb87

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