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  • Profile photo of AlbroAlbro
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    Hey All,
    Im looking to do the Siacci System creative investing course. Specificially i am looking at this for vendor finance deals, however looking on the internet there are heaps of investors offering vendor finance properties.
    My question is: are there so many investors out there looking to do vendor finance that its become saturated so that the return is not worth the risk? (obviously return and risk are subjective and applicable to each person).

    Albro

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Albro

    For someone who has run a Vendor Finance Company for a living here in Qld for some 12 years + there has always been a lot of desparate Vendors wanting to sell their over priced properties and assumed VF was the way to a golden rainbow.

    You need to differentiate yourself from other VF providers and as long as you are licensed and can finance a deal the purchaser brings to you rather than a property you have for sale then there is no reason why you cant make a success in this creative area of financing.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance 

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi Albro

    I agree with Richard.  Make sure you take it as seriously as all your other investing, i.e. make sure you do your due diligence and don't think of it as a quick way to make a quick buck.  It's not.

    We've been running our vendor finance business since 2003 and our experience to date has been that, as the number of vendor financiers increases, the knowledge of vendor finance increases out there in the marketplace and buyer demand increases accordingly.

    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
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    Profile photo of propertyeclipsepropertyeclipse
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    I am interested in understanding more about vendor financing and rent to own opportunities. I am considering doing Rick Otton’s course to understand the vendor negotiation side of the strategy.

    Can someone outline for me what would be required to become licensed?

    Thanks

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    property eclipse

    This link might guide you thru the myriad of legialtion which is the National Consumer Credit Act

    http://corrigan.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/nccpr2010486/

    I would do a little more research before you spend money on Rick's course.

    Dont want to put you off but there are limitations at what you can do.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of AlbroAlbro
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    Richard,
    To your knowledge and best estimate what are the costs associated with putting together contracts that comply with the NCCP?

    Albro

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi propertyeclipse & Albro

    Propertyeclipse I believe it's important to build a good foundation to your vendor finance knowledge and there are numerous educators to choose from.  Some that spring to mind are:
    Sean Summerville  –  http://www.thepropertyking.com.au/
    Rick Otton  –  http://www.rickotton.com/
    Dave & Julie Siacci  –  https://vendorfinanceinstitute.com.au/home/siacci-system-of-vendor-finance-1997/
    Paul Zalitis  –  http://www.aussiewrapper.com.au/Cash-Flow-Investing.html
    Gordon Ku  –  http://gordonku.com/

    It is worthwhile researching all these educators and choosing one that suits your style.

    As well as Richard's link regarding becoming licensed we also have some information on our web site written with vendor finance in mind:
    https://vendorfinanceinstitute.com.au/home/acl-pack/
    http://vendorfinanceinstitute.com.au/home/vfi-products/acl-pack-2/  and
    https://vendorfinanceinstitute.com.au/home/credit-representative-program/

    Albro, we usually budget approximately $1,200 to have a solicitor to draw up a vendor finance Instalment Contract.

    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
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    Profile photo of lbluedentolbluedento
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    Paul

    Tried to navigate to your negative2positive website by clicking on the link in your signature but while it goes to the page for bout 20 seconds it is then replaced by another page. Not sure if this is an iPad issue or some other gremlin. No pc to check your site on unfortunately. We are considering attempting to sell a property via vendor financing. I don’t see this as my general investing strategy, so don’t really want to go down the avenue of licensing etc., but I need to move a negavtively geared property on. Do you offer a service to help people set up a one off vendor finance deal?

    Thanks
    Ruth

    Profile photo of AlbroAlbro
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    Paul and Richard,
    I really appreciate your help. Thanks very much.
    I get the feeling there are plenty of different takes on how to a vendor finance. But does the following method and rough expenses look appropriate:
    look for someone wanting to sell their property on vf
    place an option on that property: $1200 (contract)
    advertise the property: say $1000
    find a new tenant/owner and sign them up: $1000

    Is this roughly what i would be looking at?

    Albro

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi Ruth & Albro

    Ruth, apologies for the non functioning negative2positive (N2P) website. It 'went down' yesterday afternoon.  Our website person is madly trying to fix it and as soon as it's up again I'll PM you.

    Yes we do offer a service to help people set up a one off vendor finance deal.  Normally the site would send you a questionnaire about your property and once I get the completed questionnaire back, I can contact you with a few ideas.

    If you PM or email me I'll send you the questionnaire.

    Albro, my suggestion would be to steer away from your proposed plan as the chances of getting an owner to give you the Option you're looking for aren't good.  Once the  http://www.negative2positive.com.au  website is back up, have a look through that.  Also have a look at  http://www.jvpropertypartners.com.au  These two sites may help you get an idea of how to structure your transactions.

    However I'd strongly suggest you get some vendor finance basic education before you try to 'go solo'.  If you don't, it's kind of like trying to fly a plane without any flying lessons – easy to crash and burn ;-)

    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
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    Profile photo of AlbroAlbro
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    Paul,
    Ill check out the websites tonight.
    I understand your point about seeking further education before i enter a deal. Fully agree with your point.
    What i am trying to understand is what costs are associated with pulling one deal together: contract costs, advertising costs, holding costs, etc.
    This will help me determine if VF is appropriate for my needs. Do you have a ball park figure of what they may be?

    Albro

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi Albro

    We usually get charged around $1,200 to get an Instalment Contract drawn up by our solicitors.  However the incoming buyer pays this cost.

    Advertising.  We place each property on two free vendor finance (VF) websites and Gumtree (also free).  We also place each property on the two main traditional real estate websites. This costs us $150.  Our signs out the front of each property cost next to nothing.  Our newspaper advertising is always done in the classifieds of small community newspapers and the approximate cost is about $30 per week.

    Holding costs. Recently a JV partner bought a property on which he 'settled' on one day and the new VF buyers moved in the next day.  However we always plan for 8 weeks of holding costs in this situation.  It rarely takes 8 weeks but it's a comfortable contingency.

    After a VF buyer moves in, the resulting loan needs to be administered.  We have a specialist VF loan administration company do this.  However the cost for this service is built into  the VF buyers weekly payment.

    Cheers,  Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
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