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  • Profile photo of Snickers_6180Snickers_6180
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    Hi All,

    I have a question regarding how the banks that supply a standard mortgage for the purchase of an investment property view the sale of that property to someone else via an installment contract.

    Does the mortgagee freely allow this to happen?

    Do you notify the bank of your intent to sell the property under an installment contract when obtaining finance for the purchase of the investment property to be sold via an IC?

    What are some solutions people have used to solve this solution to date?

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    Liam….

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi Liam

    Thanks for you PM on this same question.  I've replied via PM but here's my response anyway:

    'As far as I know, no traditional lender, i.e. bank, building society, etc, will allow you to 'compromise their security'. If you look at most standard mortgage documentation, you need to get their approval to renovate the property, sell the property and rent the property, among other things. Obviously both they and everybody else ignores these requirements but the 'banks' put these conditions in the paperwork so they remain in complete control, i.e they like to remain in a position where their mortgage documentation allows them to 'call in' the loan when they feel they need to.

    On the other side of the coin, a delinquent loan is bad for a traditional lender's balance sheet. The reality is, if the traditional lender gets paid each month, they remain happy and everybody goes about their business.

    One of the strange things about traditional lenders' attitude towards vendor finance is the fact that, if you go to any 'branch' you will be told they will not approve what you are proposing. Yet, I have two business associates that got $7 million and $5 million lines of credit from two of the big 4 banks, to purchase residential properties and then on-sell them with Instalment Contracts, while the bank's underlying loan remain in place.

    I guess that's the difference between consumer and commercial banking, i.e. one section says no, the other yes. We have built our vendor finance business since 2003 and have never had a challenge with an underlying loan lender. Why? Because we make sure they get paid each month ;-)

    Cheers, Paul'

    Also, when asked the following question by an PI insurance underwriter, i.e. '"How does the lender (vendor financier) overcome or address the issue of assignment of property under a mortgage with the financial institution?" the following legal opinion was provided:

    'The answer to your question is a technical one – there is no assignment of property in an instalment contract. What happens is that the vendor is entering into a Contract for Sale. It is only on completion that an assignment (known as a Transfer) takes place.

    An Instalment Contract is a Contract for Sale with a delayed completion.

    The Bank / Lender’s consent is required for all Contracts for Sale, so there is nothing different here from standard procedure.

    In terms of timing, a vendor notifies their Bank / Lender that they require a Discharge of Mortgage (by providing a Discharge Authority) shortly before completion is due. I find that Banks will hold open their discharge arrangements for a limited time, each Bank being different. The point is that the Banks do not like being notified a long time beforehand – some like the NAB require completion to take place within about 4 weeks after notification

    Therefore, it does not accord with Bank practice to notify a Bank that a discharge is required under a Contract for Sale with a delayed completion until completion is imminent.

    I trust that this answers the enquiry.'

    Cheers, Paul

    Paul Dobson | Vendor Finance Institute
    http://www.vendorfinanceinstitute.com.au
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