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    Hi,

    I am looking for some advice on what people think would be the best way for my brother and I to buy investment property together.

    I have a property myself which i’m living in with the loan in my name. My brother and I have bought 2 blocks of land in both our names and are currently building on one of them. The loans for this are in both our names. I will probably be moving next year and buy another house myself while turning the house i’m in now into an investment property in just my name.

    We both want to keep buying property together and I am wondering we should setup a trust or leave it as it is? I just want to make sure we are doing things properly before we get to carried away.

    Thanks.

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    3 areas require correct structure :
    family business ventures,
    legal,
    accounting / tax.

    In all areas you need the protection and order of the correct structure administered by qualified and competent professionals .
    This applies, as you already know in normal business practice, but where close and trusting family members work together, they tend to fall into the trap of becoming too relaxed and complacent at the expense of correct business practices.

    Been in that trap, sadly it cost me dearly in family relationship, capital, time and heartache.

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    What state are the properties in? You would need to at least consider a trust if you are approaching the land tax threshold.

    You also need to protect your own interest if your brother were to go bankrupt, die or divorce.

    In addition you need to plan things to reduce personal liabiity and assist borrowing power.

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    Thank you both for your replies.

    The properties are all in the NT, however future investment properties will probably be in NSW and SA.

    What would be a good way to look at protecting my interests in the examples you gave Terryw??

    I’m new to all this so trying to get it all right.

    Cheers,

    Kris

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    A unit trust might be the more appropriate structure to make sure you establish the proper amount of % shareholding of each person. It avoids disputes as to who owes/owns what.

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    There are many ways to protect yourself and you need legal advice.

    Some things to consider – make sure you have:
    documented loan agreements for any money lent or owing
    up to date comprehensive wills
    avoid dating the same person twice
    caveats for any property you have an interest in but are not on title etc.

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    Hi KMC
    i have been buying property with my two brothers since 1989.
    First up was a partnership.Partnerships suck.
    Eg. If one partner wants out – this can create a trigger – from a minority owner – at a time that may not suit the other partners – so the whole thing can topple over, or force a refinance. Higher risk.
    Set up a pty ltd – much more stable, each shareholder is responsible for his own shares – for example a divorce – split the shares. Less risk.
    Brothers in a company – still going strong.

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    Rather than A pty ltd company a unit trust would be much better

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    I was on a mobile device when i wrote the above, so let me elaborate why you should not use a company:
    1. No 50% CGT discounts for companies
    2. Income of a company does not retain its character. Capital gains will be passed on as dividends to shareholders – which may not help a shareholder who has a capital loss from another investment for example.

    A better way to join with someone is to use a unit trust with a company as trustee and the units owned by the investors – who could then use a discretionary trust to own their units depending on the circumstances.

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    Thanks for all the advice. Terry it sounds like a trust is the way to go, is an accountant able to set all of this up??

    Cheers,

    Kris

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    A trust is a legal arrangement best done by a person who knows what they are doing – lawyer and/or accountant. Lawyer better really as there are a host of legal issues, but you may need some tax advice too.

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    i'd suggest to meet with a lawyer and an accountant asap

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