- RocksquadParticipant@rocksquadJoin Date: 2010Post Count: 6
Hi Everyone, Sraight to the point.. We want to set up a unit trust that is half owned by a SMSF(my buisness partner) and the other half owned by an individual (me) Can someone point me in the right direction for a lender that that is not bamboozaled or scared of this set up.. On a house.. 280k in Qld…. We live in Brisbane…. Thank you for any help…. Jef…Richard TaylorParticipant@qlds007Join Date: 2003Post Count: 12,024
Hate to say you wont find any lender touch such a deal with a barge pole.
The SMSF will be a Unit holder and will need to be a party to the loan.
Under SISA it cannot do so.
Yours in FinancePISTOREMember@pistoreJoin Date: 2012Post Count: 75
We have a great contact here in Sydney who is one of the leaders in setting up SMSF's.
I know this post is old, but there has been a lot of changes in attitudes by Banks towards these and you can set up an SMSF and buy an investment property quite easily now.Richard TaylorParticipant@qlds007Join Date: 2003Post Count: 12,024
Anthony not an old post was raised on 21 Feb 2012.
Yes we set up a lot of SMSF here in Brisbane where the poster comes from but it still cant be done.
Yours in FinanceEPI_DenMember@epi_denJoin Date: 2010Post Count: 71
I doubt that this can be done, but we’re about to interview a SMSF expert on one of our podcasts. I’ll ask him if he knows anyone and let you know.
DenTerrywParticipant@terrywJoin Date: 2001Post Count: 16,213
Possibly a unit trust and a SMSF could buy a property as joint tenants.
But a SMSF could not buy units in a unit trust if it was a related party. These would be deemd in-house assets – actually a SMSF could prbbably invest up to 5% of its value in an in-house asset.
But there would be further restrictions such as the unit trust would be unable to mortgage the trust's property.
see also reg 13.22C SISR.RocksquadParticipant@rocksquadJoin Date: 2010Post Count: 6
Thanx guys for replying.. It would seem thats all come to a complete dead end…
But tell me this?
If the property is bought wholely and solely by my business partners SMSF, Which obviously can be done.. Is there any problems with us buying it off the SF with a joint unit trust, some time after settlement…? We both have an equal share in the trust…?
What are your thoughts…..?TerrywParticipant@terrywJoin Date: 2001Post Count: 16,213
You would be related parties – so can a smsf sell to a related party? I am not sure off hte top of my head. A SMSF cannot acquire but don't know about sell.ksherwellMember@ksherwellJoin Date: 2007Post Count: 125
There shouuldn’t be a problem with the UT purchasing the property from the SMSF. However, it would need be conducted on a commercial basis and to satisfy the super legislation the investments made by SMSFs must be made and maintained on a strict commercial basis, so the fund trustee must ensure the asset valuation is robust and the purchase or sale price of the SMSF asset must reflect its true market value.
My understanding is that the ATO states you must obtain an independent valuation report to determine the market value before purchasing the asset from the super fund. You must also ensure there is a written contract in place and that the terms of the contract are on commercial basis.
The tax treatment of the proceeds of the sale will depend upon whether the SMSF is in accumulation or pension phase.