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  • Profile photo of EngeloRumoraEngeloRumora
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    Hi all,

    I have just lent some money to a business that buys property in the US. Its a 5 year contract with an interest rate of 10% per annum. After 5 years there is a possibility to extend or get a balloon payment of the funds lent. If repayments are late by 60 days I can repossess the properties. What are your thoughts on this strategy? Has anyone done anything similar? I have been in correspondance with these people for some time now and am confident there will be no issues. Thanks for your time.

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    Engelo

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    Hi Engelo,

    It sounds interesting, who were they and do they have a web address?

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    Engelo,

    This sounds similar to a product that a forum member Jay Heinrichs from True Wholesale Houses does. Slight difference is that with Jay's product…the rate is 7% to 9% on your investment paid monthly. The big difference however is that with TWH…you also participate in the equity of the home and have a note over the home. If TWH went broke or didn't pay your your monthly return…you still have a home that you foreclose on and get your original investment back. If all goes according to plan however and in 3 or 5 years time the home is sold not only have you gotten your 7-9% each month…you also stand to gain from the sale as you have a 50% stake in it.

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    engelo10 wrote:
    Hi all,

    I have just lent some money to a business that buys property in the US. Its a 5 year contract with an interest rate of 10% per annum. After 5 years there is a possibility to extend or get a balloon payment of the funds lent. If repayments are late by 60 days I can repossess the properties. What are your thoughts on this strategy? Has anyone done anything similar? I have been in correspondance with these people for some time now and am confident there will be no issues. Thanks for your time.

    Regards,
    Engelo

    What if the property values went down or failed to keep up with the rate of interest, so the borrower went into negative equity?

    Even if you got possesion of the properties, they wouldn’t cover what your owed? Better than nothing though I spose.

    My concern is they are risking your money, so how motivated are they going to be to do due-dilligence/make sure its a sound deal.

    Profile photo of EngeloRumoraEngeloRumora
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    Hi Speedy,

    Sounds similar except I don’t have a stake in the property and the interest I get is slightly better. Do you know what states they buy in?

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    Engelo

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    Profile photo of EngeloRumoraEngeloRumora
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    Hi Koenigcj

    Send me an email at [email protected] and I will give you the link as I don’t want it to seem like I am spruiking the company. Thanks.

    Engelo

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    Profile photo of EngeloRumoraEngeloRumora
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    Hi bumskins,

    I never said it wasn’t risky haha

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    speedy gonzales wrote:
    Engelo,

    This sounds similar to a product that a forum member Jay Heinrichs from True Wholesale Houses does. Slight difference is that with Jay's product…the rate is 7% to 9% on your investment paid monthly. The big difference however is that with TWH…you also participate in the equity of the home and have a note over the home. If TWH went broke or didn't pay your your monthly return…you still have a home that you foreclose on and get your original investment back. If all goes according to plan however and in 3 or 5 years time the home is sold not only have you gotten your 7-9% each month…you also stand to gain from the sale as you have a 50% stake in it.

    Speedy,

    Excellent recap of what we do. our notes 90% of the time are 9% sometimes 10 and a few 11s… the 7 and 8's we do are on new construction that we either hold long term. Or are on properties that we are building in the Portland Or. market and standing inventory and then are sold with in 4 to 6 months. On these there is also an equity kick "not 50% of course" however makes for a yeild over 10. on a very safe solid investment. All first position loans just like any bank.

    There are all sorts of brokers in the States that will broker your money like the original poster presented. Just like the turn key guys out there, YOu have to be EXTREMELY careful who you do business with. Many many millions is lost yearly with "brokers placing loans for their clients" only to have said loans go bad and the properties are not worth near what was lent on them.

    Be very careful of anything that quotes 15% and up, these are the most desperate borrowers and the risk reward scenerio is very very high.

    Any one can send me an e mail on this site and we can go into detail. Anyone looking to be a lender in the states I would be happy to go over some of the ground rules that you should play by and other things to look for. I am a NMLS licensed Mortgage Banker with well  over 25 years and 2,000 loans done most in the asset class that Aussies are buying in. So from the lending side and the ownership or equity side of the transaction I have been there done that in about half the states in the US.

    had a nice lunch yesterday with a Bay Area client of mine who owns 200 plus houses in Dallas. he is coming to Atlanta and is going to get into our Note with equity program as he is just turning 70 and does not want to deal with the day to day of managing managers anymore. And my rates of return are as good if not better than he can do on his own with him paying all the costs. And he is a CPA by trade…… Funny guy walked him to his car  Nice 150k Astin martin and off he went.

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    I dont know much about this scheme, but my thoughts are;

    Should you repossess the property mentioned;
    1. How do you know the property is not over priced to begin with ie you spent $X and now you got a property worth then what you spent…
    2. What will you do with the property? is it sell-able? oversupply?
    3. What happens if the company you lent the money to goes bust – do you have a caveat on the property? ie a 2nd mortgage/interest on it?
    4. What’s stopping them from selling the property before the Repossession ??? do you have 1st or 2nd interest on the property ie simliar to a bank.

    Sorry plenty of questions; no answers :(

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    Michael

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    shape,

    good questions and simple answers.

    1. You get an apprasial from a 3rd party independant apprasier and whats even more important is that the Broker or arranger of the loan is some one you have vetted and has impeccable credit reference's surety bond and NMLS licensed ( you can google NMLS  this is the new government licensing program you are subject to an "FBI background check credit check personal and company financial statements " before the license is issued. There were many many crooks in the mortgage industry and they created a good many of the problems with phoney loans.

    2. Most lenders will only loan on a property that they would not mind owning for what they loaned on it.

    3. IF company goes bust. As long as your a 1st position lender your a secured creditor and simply foreclose your position like the 2 million foreclosure that are currently going on in the states.

    4. Because your a secured lender they cannot sell and get clear title without paying you off. Just like any other bank they have to be paid off when the property is sold. Now there is a scheme called SUBJECT TOO were properties are sold subject to the exisiting mortgage. In this case the beneficary of the loan will usually have an aleination clause which allows for foreclosure in the event of a change of title. So you can foreclosure just like you could for non payment.

    At the end of the day lending is just as big of business in the states as buying rentals, Most folks that go the lending route just do not want to take the risk and hassle and down side of management. As been well documented on this site. especially foriegn owners that can get their clocks cleaned if they get hooked up with the wrong company thats selling low end rentals in the states.

    Profile photo of EngeloRumoraEngeloRumora
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    Hi Jay,

    Do you have a company website you could provide so I can have a browse? Thanks.

    Regards,
    Engelo

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    Can you send me an e mail on this site, I have multiple web sites that explain not only our loan products however in addition our Equity participation net cash flow investments.

    I think the moderators frown on posting one's web site.

    Be happy to help you navigate the lending world.

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    jayhinrichs wrote:

    I think the moderators frown on posting one's web site.

    Only if you’re not contributing ie just putting up senseless cr@p.

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    Scott,

    some probably think I am putting up Cr@p and others probably apprecaite the heads up to the risk's involved in lending and or residential real estate investment property in the US>

    I know I have sure learned a lot.

    Especially the perspective of OZ investors that are not experinced  in owning and running rentals. The US poses challenges in the low end rental markets that are akin to 3rd world countries and really probably worse because the tenants have RIGHTS……

    I really do not expect to do any business with OZ investors as I have more US demand than I have product for. I see my contributions here more as charity, If I can keep one person from losing all their hard earned money following the advice of some nepherious property seller in the states and or really search's out quality folks then i think I have provided a service.

    Now the topics have gotten into lending and I am dead certain I know more about lending in the states than 99% of any of the contributors on this site. Lending your private funds in the US can be very rewarding or you can completely get taken, just like getting talked into buying those choice properties in Rochester or downtown Detroit or any other war zone in any other big city in the US.

    What happened in the US was the CRA rules the banks had to play by…. Its called Red Lining, IE they will not loan in certain areas. Well most of these areas tend to be minority, Black, Hispanic, etc…. Clinton really pushed for the CRA  Community reinvestment… Banks had to make a certain amount of loans in these neighborhoods Knowing full well that they were going to take loss's….

    Well the loss;s happened in the form of millions of foreclosures the banks basically have given up and dumped these properties for ( as well advertised prices of cars) and the foreigners not knowing the difference and not really realizing the impact of the minority neighborhoods jumped in with both feet and their cash and have been buying them up by the thousands.

    This led to all sorts of US and foriegn companies becoming US property experts…. ?For  everyone who post on this site a good experince and brags of 15% income there are 10 who got wiped out. I know this for a fact. I buy these foreclosures I know.

    One can make money and we do in this asset class but its as a business we have to control both the ownership and management in house without that your going to risk losing a lot of money.

    Any way… Cardinals won the world series tonight …..

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    Hey All and Jay been away for a bit
    Been traveling through California  rough trip this time .Sandiego _ Santa Barbara .I am hoping to come meet with you ( Jay ) Say Nov 14th.I am In Canada NOV 12 ( Vancouver)

    For every one here I am not affiliated with Jay .How ever I am in the states my company is located in Charlotte NC and Atlanta .

    I am quoting Jay Hinrichs here

    Now the topics have gotten into lending and I am dead certain I know more about lending in the states than 99% of any of the contributors on this site. Lending your private funds in the US can be very rewarding or you can completely get taken, just like getting talked into buying those choice properties in Rochester or downtown Detroit or any other war zone in any other big city in the US. Yes he does I follow his post and I am wanting to set up his program in my base areas of Charlotte NC ..( wanted Atlanta but he is already there)

    What happened in the US was the CRA rules the banks had to play by…. Its called Red Lining, IE they will not loan in certain areas. Well most of these areas tend to be minority, Black, Hispanic, etc…. Clinton really pushed for the CRA  Community reinvestment… Banks had to make a certain amount of loans in these neighborhoods Knowing full well that they were going to take loss's…. ( Jay even clients in California of mine I have to remind them no on the war zones area's they keep telling me how cheap Detroit and Rochester NY are. )

    Now on the lending it does work when you meet a company that does what it says.I have used private funds for the last 2 years.Had no choice in the USA hard money loans went dry for a bit. So my company switched gears.  It is very possible for investors to lend to USA wholesale teams and make money. We use a few different clients from Honk Kong and Singapore.

    The projects  are scrutinized completely on both ends first . Then we video tape the project and send rehab list and break  down of expected profit( if it does not sell in 90 day time period we pay 1 % of total loan monthly) I can give more details if some one wants to see our program( not advertising offering advice )  . ( Very easy to communicate with over seas or foreign investors with Skype programs) heading to Singapore Nov 18 – 22 to meet with our newest investor…

     

    just my two cents Alex

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    engelo10 wrote:
    Hi all,

    I have just lent some money to a business that buys property in the US. Its a 5 year contract with an interest rate of 10% per annum. After 5 years there is a possibility to extend or get a balloon payment of the funds lent. If repayments are late by 60 days I can repossess the properties. What are your thoughts on this strategy? Has anyone done anything similar? I have been in correspondance with these people for some time now and am confident there will be no issues. Thanks for your time.

    Regards,
    Engelo

    Engelo just browsing back through old post. My company is completely funded by private investors.We do things a bit different. First the money is never sent to us but through a closing attorney and there escrow account,. We pay our private investors 4 points for 30 days , 8 points for 60days and 12 points for 90 days.  After 90 days we give the investor the choice to either take the property back or collect 1 % a month until it sells. It you got to our website and look at the deals every single deal is done through private lenders.

    There is always risk but if the team knows what they are doing less risk.Worst case you get a property cheaper then if you were to buy it directly from a reseller like my self. We only borrow funds 3 quarters out of the year. As in the fourth quarter we don't really buy to many deals. instead clean up the company and get ready for the next year.

    Alex
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    speedy gonzales wrote:
    Engelo,

    This sounds similar to a product that a forum member Jay Heinrichs from True Wholesale Houses does. Slight difference is that with Jay's product…the rate is 7% to 9% on your investment paid monthly. The big difference however is that with TWH…you also participate in the equity of the home and have a note over the home. If TWH went broke or didn't pay your your monthly return…you still have a home that you foreclose on and get your original investment back. If all goes according to plan however and in 3 or 5 years time the home is sold not only have you gotten your 7-9% each month…you also stand to gain from the sale as you have a 50% stake in it.

    Speedy you are correct very similar to jay program, we jumped on board with Jay's  program also. Only for our Charlotte deals. We though still raise private capital for short term loans. With us we put a deed in leiu there so the investor can take back the property after 90 days or receive 1 % a month on the loan until it sells.

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