Hi guys,
This is the first time I have undertaken such a project and would really appreciate some help.
I have just purchased a corner block and looking to subdivide and build a townhouse at the rear.
I am a little confused with the difference between an architect and draftsman? Which would be the prefered person to undertake the plans and permits for this development.
I have been referred to a draftsman who I felt had a good understanding of councils requirements however a friend of mine who is a builder has informed me that anything relating to planning permits you should always have an architect do.
Was interested to know what other peoples experiences have been like. The council will be city of darebin in Melbourne.
Thanks in advance!
Mav
Hi Mav, <moderator: delete advertising> defiantely dont believe you need an Architect to complete Planning Drawings. If your Draftsperson has knowledge of the area or is willing to take the time to look into a councils requirements, there is absolutely no reason why he/she cannot give you a great result for your project. In fact, Draftspeople can sometimes design to keep your costs down especially with the initial design fee.
Draftspeople usally work off a flat fee and not percentage of build cost, so there fees will usually be significantly lower.I think there is definately room for Architects and Draftspeople. A lot of the time, Architects will be involved in larger projects as they have a larger staff base than most Draftspeople (in this case, we have 14 inhouse Designers and Draftspeople).
i hope this helps a bit!
Wayne Densley
THREESIXTYDEGREES AUSTRALIA P/L
http://www.360dg.com.auHi Mav,
In terms of obtaining a planning permit, you’re probably best shopping around for a Surveyor / Draftsperson combination rather than doing it separately. Would be saving your time and money whilst also ensuring thorough knowledge of the project between all parties. In my experience for a planning permit it wouldn’t really matter if you went Architect or Draftsperson, but I agree with Wayne above that it would be a significantly lower fee.
Regards,
Ashley StaceyJust a tip, get a draftie who knows the council requirements of the area. Will save you some hassle down the track.
If you get a crap draftie and he misses things/screws things up it'll cause pain having to get them changed down the track, and no doubt, $$$$
Simply, an architect or a drafts-person can prepare and lodge an application for a TPP.
I agree with Christian (we seem to do that a lot lately!)
It really depends on the scale and concept you’re after. A combo of Planner/Draftsman or Planner/Architect is always a recipe for success. As I’ve said elsewhere, you get what you pay for and you wouldn’t go to your GP to get dental work done. The same applies with Planning and Building Design.
In areas such as Moreland and Darebin in the inner north, Council are looking for good quality design outcomes that respond well to the site context. There are quality draftsmen out there who are competent and able to work creatively, but as Jonno mentions above, there are so many horror stories we see where the client has initially chosen a “cheaper” draftsman, but ended up losing time and money due to – to be blunt – incompetence. Sometimes the extra investment in an Architect is worthwhile.
My advice is ask around, speak to several draftsman and architects when planning your next development. A good indication of their reputation is a quiet discussion with Council planning officers. You’ll be able to tell pretty quickly who is good to work with and who isn’t.
The professional Town Planners, Draftsmen, Builders, Surveyors and Architects that post here all have a good name in Melbourne so that might be a place good start. We’re all “complementary” services, in that we’ll each provide different services, but have the knowledge to match your development needs to the right profession.
Supplement our advice with that of people that have gone through the process before, and you should be on a winner.
All the best,
BreeceMy block is a peculiar size 11 x 35 mtrs… really thin and long ; after the 2 setbacks on either sides, it'll only be 8.5mtrs wide!!
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Homes for Sale | Ingersoll Scott Real EstateHi Shanmarsh,
You’d be surprised at the dimensions of houses we deal with on a daily basis!
I’m currently working on a heritage property in Collingwood that is 4.7m x 31m and another in Yarraville that is approx. 6.5m x 38m.
We’re also currently developing a site in Brunswick that is 10.4m x 38m for SEVEN double storey townhouses (accessed off a side ROW)So as you can see… I see your peculiar site and raise you three.
A great drafty can be just as good as an Architect, but I always say it’s horses for courses. There’s quality, value and service to be found if you know where to look and knew what you were looking for. If you’d given me your budget, your design intent and your location, I could give you some advice on the best fit for your proposed development.
All the best,
Breece
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