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  • Profile photo of Jaag PropertyJaag Property
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    Hi all

    I was at Steve’s market update in Brisbane last night, with a question I wanted to ask, but didn’t get the opportunity. Steve, do you think rental prices in the States will drop? I have purchased a house there, and the rental we are receiving is $100 per month less than what we were quoted. I am concerned that, as wages have dropped, the rental returns achievable will also drop.

    Comments??

    Judi

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    Hi Judi,

    Rental returns have dropped a little but certainly nowhere near $100 per month so I believe you were misquoted from the outset.

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    Depends on what area, but Judith is right, not as much as $100.  In many areas, we are seeing rental rate increases such as NY Metro areas and inner city NY.  Increases as much as 20%.  Indicative of job growth in the financial hub of the universe???  Always a good sign.

    I agree with Judith, that you were likely misled or misquoted in your pro forma. 

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    Hi Judi.
    Let us not forget the reality of what has transpired in the US economy – the single greatest balloon burst since the Great Depression. The US economy is going to do what it has always done after every great economic depression and recession it has had- they will drag the economy from bear to bull again and the value of their real estate, the amount of available jobs, and rental returns will again return to pre GFC levels in the not too distant future. NEVER before have Australain investors been in such an enviable position of $1 for $1 buying power; US property values dropping across coast to coast to unheard of levels of low purchase price; rentals remain high and strong in the wake of mortgage foreclosers and job losses as many Americans now cannot afford to buy but still must rent. Yes, property management is very different to Oz and things such as LLC's( Limited Liability Companies) but I say if you have one, you can afford to keep it, then hold it because you don't want to look back in a few years commenting on how wonderful hindsight is and if only you didn't ……..
    Kind regards,

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    I am a wholesaler here in a few markets in the US. It boils down to a couple things in my opinion. That is area and property management. Some areas are actually seeing a surge in rental rates due to the absorption from previous homeowners who have foreclosed. Also it depends on your property management. Some property managers are more aggressive than others. But you dont want to “over rent” it either. That could cause a strain on the tenant resulting in high turnover. But the drop that you see is very unusual unless it is in a lower end area. But even then, you should still get market rents via Section 8 (or HUD) rentals.You could have been over promised on the proforma . I dont know. We generally place tenants prior to acquisition so you know exactly what you are getting off the bat.Always buy on actuals not proforma especially if you are a remote buyer. Thanks for letting me share

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    With me commenting above that rentals have dropped slightly, today I have had three potential tenants come through the house I’m living in and one yesterday (I’ll be back home for three months later this month). All have put in applications to rent. I paid $27,000 for the house, spent roughly $5000 fixing it up and the asking rental is $700 per month with tenant to pay lawn care and water. I’m happy with that.

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    Hello all, my first post.  :-)

    I agree generally with the above comments.

    I have a property in the Mid West and rents achieved don't seem to be dropping.  It also depeneds heavily on the region.  The Mid West seems to have borne a lot of the brunt of the GFC but things are steady now. NE and Calif seem to be doing OK but ROI's aren't as good. 

    Judith, you did well.  That's a 32% gross ROI.  Where is it?

    Michael O

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    IS it really safe to invest outside of Aussie? Info please

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    To answer this question

    Gordie1080 wrote:
    IS it really safe to invest outside of Aussie? Info please

    the answer is Absolutely,BUT you have to do your homework and due diligence. Here in the US t right now you can become wealthy acquiring investment properties or at least be comfortable. On the other side of the spectrum you can lose your shirt. There are key factors that determine your success. Location,the asset , and property management. Very important to have a good power team .You are thousands of miles away ,so having a competent and trust worthy property manager is absolutely vital.Check the demographics of the area to make sure that there’s enough job stability and growth to support good tenants. So to be very short and answer your question, the answer is YES!

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    G'day Gordie.

    There are potentially huge opportunities for the Australian Investor into the US property market but, as we in the legal profession say, "caveat emptor" or "buyer beware".
    If you read my few points above you will see some of the key advantages in the US but it is also frought with danger. If you are interested in learning more I have some very informative and thorough PDF articles from Australian Property Investor over the last 6 months that independently explains almost everything an Aussie needs to know, as well as interviews from actual Aussie Investors who had both good and bad experiences. I like them because they present a balanced and unbiased assessment of the US property market for the Aussie Investor.
    You MUST do your homework on this Gordie but, if you have and you know you can buy 3-4 bedroomed H&L for under $80,000 AU with strong rental returns in excess of 15-20% to cover costs and just one countries tax obligations …. mmmm, it starts to look real good!
    I hope this has been of benefit to you?

    Kind regards,

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    Michael, I’m buying in Fort Myers Florida. The net is 17.275% which I am very happy with. I am receiving 16.258% and 14.358% on others. I look only at single family homes, even though I know there is a better return on duplexes, as i like the stability of families. I look at homes I believe can provide what families need, always check the sex offender register and school bus routes. I am not and never will be a slum lord and try to make a home nice and fresh for families to live in. If a stove or refrigerator is less than ideal it’s replaced. I look to homes that can be resold to families and not only to investors. In my opinion, if you buy at the very bottom of the market you can only ever resell to an investor and this is a market that doesn’t like to part with more cash than necessary. I look to good pockets in lower income areas as some in this group aspire to be homeowners. In middle income areas I look at the bottom to middle type house to attract those just entering the housing market. The 17.275% house above is now the second nicest house in the street and I anticipate will be purchased, when I’m ready to sell, by someone who is comfortable in this area but wants the status of a nice home. This house is very much talked about in this street as being an ugly duckling turned into a swan. There is something very rewarding in seeing a glimmer in the eye of locals who are excited by a transformation and gives me hope that they will aspire to home ownership and pride themselves on keeping the place nice. Small things like mulch on the garden was a huge talking point and now two other gardens are sporting mulch. Giving to a community and not just being a landlord is a lesson I have learnt from Steve.

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    ALF1 wrote:
    Hi Judi.
    Let us not forget the reality of what has transpired in the US economy – the single greatest balloon burst since the Great Depression. The US economy is going to do what it has always done after every great economic depression and recession it has had- they will drag the economy from bear to bull again and the value of their real estate, the amount of available jobs, and rental returns will again return to pre GFC levels in the not too distant future. NEVER before have Australain investors been in such an enviable position of $1 for $1 buying power; US property values dropping across coast to coast to unheard of levels of low purchase price; rentals remain high and strong in the wake of mortgage foreclosers and job losses as many Americans now cannot afford to buy but still must rent. Yes, property management is very different to Oz and things such as LLC's( Limited Liability Companies) but I say if you have one, you can afford to keep it, then hold it because you don't want to look back in a few years commenting on how wonderful hindsight is and if only you didn't ……..
    Kind regards,

    That is not accurate in 1983  their was  great buying,with some states such as california bankrupt and public servant not getting paid and  A$1.00 buying US1.30.

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    Judi,

    My rent rates have been stable for the past 2 years. It may fluctuate a little bit, maybe by $25, but even that is a lot. What area is your rental in, and what was the rate you were quoted at?

    -Dan

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    Atlanta – was told up to $1100 p.m. – finally got $995. I have learned a lot, and also from the comments here!! thank you everyone.

    Judi

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    Hi All,

    With all the different posts on this forum, ranging from those that have actually traveled to the US and have gone through the process of purchasing property, and from those that have purchased US property from over here without having traveled over there, as well as those that would like to invest in US Property, but are not sure how to go about it, or where to go for help and advice, It's very clear that there is still a lot of confusion being thrown around.

    Yes, many would be investors have brought property in the US and have done everything wrong, leading to it being a nightmare for them. A number of investors have done their homework and have brought very well.

    Most first time buyers of US Property are not aware of the many differences in purchasing over there, as well as such things as Tax Implications..What structure should you buy through ( most people have heard about an LLC, but how many actually know what is an LLC or it's implications, or about other forms of Business Structures, both for an individual or company?) Buying through or setting up your own SMSF? How about the right location? As even buying in the wrong part of a street can make a huge difference, never mind what City / State / Suburb is right for you? Are you after mainly Cash Flow  / High Yield, or longer term Capital Gains? Would you want to buy an already fully renovated property ( surpassing Government housing Standards ) making sure you are buying a FREE and CLEAR Title that contains NO Hidden Nasties, Never mind qualifying Tenants, ( Do you know about Section 8 Tenants with the Government Guaranteeing the rent?) And Property management can be a nightmare if you choose the wrong company.

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    Jeff

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