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  • Profile photo of kong71286kong71286
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    Hi guys,

    I understand this is a site intended for real estate investors, but seeing that there are so many bright and knowledgeable people in here, I thought I'd try my luck to see if I could some ideas about the best way to go abouts with financing for shares

    A little bit about myself…. I'm a 23yr old Pharmacist, earning $70,000 pa, and have $20,000 of savings…  My current goal is to have at least $50,000 of mining shares before the end of 2011…

    Here are some options I have thought about

     

    Option 1: Saving

     Saving $2,000 per month and buying shares in cash. This method is slow, but may be the safest. My only concern is that I may miss out on significant gains if prices spike before 2012

    Option 2: Margin Loan

     From my understanding, this type of loan involves using shares you own as security, and E-trade Australia charge 8.75-9.49% interest rate. What I don't quite understand is how much I could borrow, and how much principle repayment I would have to make in addition to the interest charges

    Option 3: Credit Card

     Getting a $25,000 Cash Advance from SCU or Mecu Mecu Visa Card at 10.49%, and then transferring it to a Suncorp Platinum Card, which charge 3.9% pa on the life of balance transfers. The low interest charge seems enticing, but there may be other fees and charges that I haven't taken into consideration. I remember reading somewhere about 2.5-3% min principle repayment per month

    Questions

     ·        What do you guys think about the above options?

    ·         Do you have any other ideas about how I could go abouts to obtain finance?

    ·         Are there any major issues you think I have not considered?

    Other thoughts lingering on my mind

     ·        Tax implications – Can I claim interest repayments on my tax return?

    ·         Business – do you need to setup a business if you trade over $20,000 of shares per year?

    ·         Should I consider holding the shares in a Family Trust structure?

    ·         Should I leverage myself with Call Options? Are there call options that last for 2 years?

     

    Any thoughts, ideas and comments would be greatly appreciated!

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Here are a few points:
    – A discretionary trust would be great, but it may cost a bit to set up and there are issues with losses (minor).
    – no need for a business
    – to write options you generally need parcels of 1000 shares in Australia. In USA it is 100 I think. There are options that last for 2 years or you could write shorter ones and redo them when they expire.
    – becareful about putting all your eggs in the one sector such as mining.
    – You, or the trust, can claim the interest on money borrowed to buy shares.

    I would suggest you keep researching a bit more. There is an excellent interview with Keithj on the Somersoft forum re a strategy he used involving shares and property and that is well worth looking up.

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     Hi  kong,        You could  use defered purchase agreements.   You can use the Royal  Bank of Scotland for a 100% loan  with 3 years interest in advance. the interest rate is about 3-4 %, there will be  a cost of about 1% for hedging and 1% for capital protection insurance.  Total cost of loan is about 6 %.  I think you have your sights set low your   $20,000 savings could get you about  $140,000 worth of shares now.   you  should also  get a divedend of 4-8  %  every year on the $140,000. The minimum loan is $ 50,000 if this is all you want it will cost  about  $7,000.    After 3 years the loan will have to be repaid. it is a non recourse loan. the interest rate is low because you have insurance against your assets falling in value.  All you have to lose is the interest you paid up front.          Kong where are you, I may be able to point you in the right direction.

    Profile photo of kong71286kong71286
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    Thanks for the input guys… =)

    Just another question…

    My tax accountant mentioned something about only paying tax on 50% of the shares if you hold them for at least 1 year – Does this only apply if it is under my name? Or would this also apply if it is under a separate entity such as a business or discretionary trust?

    Also are there any particular online share brokers you would recommend? Most of the companies I would like to invest in are overseas…

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    He would be referring to CGT there. If held for more than 12 months individuals can get the 50% discount. so if you buy $50,000 worth of shares and they jump to $150,000 the gain is $100,000 but you are assessed on $50,000 of this only.

    Companies do not get this discount. Trusts usually distribute income and if they distribute to an individual they would get it. A business is not a separate tax entity (unless you mean company) and it would be the entity behind it that is taxed. A trust is also not a separate legal entity really but is treated as one for tax purposes.

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    I am currently away on holiday so will keep the response fairly brief.

    Terry is correct in the US 100 shares make up 1 option Contract and with some
    stocks you get 2 expiry dates in the same month.
    BP & C (citibank) are 2 examples of such stocks

    Back to Australia have you considered a long dated instalment warrant.
    In the US try a LEAP.

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    Method of  lay buying shares

    http://www.atcbiz.com.au/journalarticles.php?new=r8fh4cm8u9&num=5
    https://www.rbsmorgans.com/download.cfm?DownloadFile=939DBBB7-D60D-540D-6808B2C4E8B62D2C
    depending on your time frame if ten years you could go endowment warrants
    http://www.switzer.com.au/your-money/investment-advice/share-trading/endowment-warrants/

    Not a product recommendation or financial advice – More educational information  on available investing product / methods.

    As I do not know your risk tolerance or personal situation I can not accurately provide financial advice and I am not licensed to give financial advice.

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