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  • Profile photo of KennyjaizKennyjaiz
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    Jenny,

    Sorry, needed to clarify my previous answer regarding buying commercial property about Q1 and 2.
    While you can purchase the serviced apartment with your own name (ie without ABN), however, if you cannot produce an ABN , you will be charged a higher withholding tax when your tenant pays you rent – to which you will need to claim back when you do your tax return. (similar to banks withholding interest if you don’t produce your TFN). So it maybe more efficient if you use ABN and registered for GST (if the lease contract contains GST).

    I suspect you will quote your ABN number in the contract of sale?

    Cheers,
    Kenny

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    Thanks Kenny,

    YOur comment "While you can purchase the serviced apartment with your own name (ie without ABN), however, if you cannot produce an ABN , you will be charged a higher withholding tax when your tenant pays you rent ".

    1. My question is: Does your comment above apply only to COMMERCIAL PROPERTY and I purchased in personal name but without an ABN?  If however I purchase a RESIDENTIAL IP in my personal name and choose not to quote my ABN, will I be charged a higher withholding tax when my tenant pays me rent?

    2. If I buy a Residential IP in own name and choose not to quote my ABN (bear in mind that I am a registered GST sole trader), will I have to pay GST 10% on top of the purchase price?

    3. To make it more complicated is the fact that I am also a sole Trustee of my family trust (discretionary trust which was set up  purely for asset protection, not tax minisation or anything like that). If I choose to buy a Residential IP in the Trust name (that is Jenny as Trustee for the Family Trust), does it matter if I quote on the contract that I am a sole trader with ABN and GST registered?  I prefer not to if I am not obliged due to the required tax paper work and BAS etc…. What are the implications if I do or don't?

    Thanks.
    Jenny

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    Jenny,

    1, Yes, you will only have to quote your ABN when you purchase a commercial property. It is not a necessity to have ABN or GST for residential IP. A simpler way to think about it – if your tenant is a business, you are likely to require ABN. (There are exceptions)

    2, No, GST payable is dependent on your vendor, not you (ie, if your Vendor is a business registered for GST).
    In any case, GST will be inclusive on the agreed price.

    3, I know it may sound confusing, however, you should think of it as 3 completely different entities.
    a, Jenny – the individual, with TFN
    b, Jenny – the sole trader, with ABN / GST (same TFN as Jenny the individual)
    c, Jenny – the trustee of Jenny Family Trust (can register for separate TFN and ABN)

    You are can purchase residential property under any of the 3 entities.
    When you purchase a residential IP with one entity, you are not required to cross link it with another entity, unless you need to be a guarantor (eg when you buy property with family trust, you will not be required to quote jenny the sole trader ABN, and you should not.
    In this case, you are buying the property with the trust, which has nothing to do with Jenny the individual or the sole trader.
    Think of you as an employee in a Company ABC, when you use the ABC’s money to buy a printer, you do not need to let them know Jenny’s sole trader ABN)

    It is not my intention to give personalised advice on this forum. While I would like to help as much as I can, you need to understand that accountants need to meet a certain level of duty of care, whether the advice given was paid for or not. Professional Accountants study many years to specialise in this field and charge a reasonable price to be compensated for that risk (amongst other factors). I will be doing these people and myself an injustice by giving out free personalised recommendations here, where you cannot ascertain if the advice given is reliable or not. I hope you can appreciate that.

    So my recommendations is still, find yourself a good Tax accountant who is knowledgeable in Properties. Not only will they be able to answer your questions, they can be proactive in tax strategies and plan with you – while you concentrate on investing!

    Do keep asking questions, and contribute with your investment experience here, but please address it to everyone, so everyone has a chance to contribute.

    Cheers,
    Kenny

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    Thanks very much, Kenny.

    You have really helped me to understand more about the pros and cons of serviced apartments and I've actually decided to stay away from serviced apts. I don't like anything of high maintenance and high complexity such as ABN and GST and tax matters. I am not at all into tax minimisation; I'd rather pay a litle higher tax than having to keep the additional papers for tax purposes.  So, I think I'd be just buying IP (not serviced apt) and in my own name (no ABN).

    I sincerely hope that there is a book out there that explains as good as your explanations have been. It would help the general community a lot.

    Thanks again,
    Jenny

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    Hi Jenny,

    Thanks for that! Glad to know I’ve helped.

    There are pros and cons with different structure when it comes to purchasing property investment, understanding the application and advantages will serve you well in your journey of property investment!

    Personally, I have stayed away from serviced apartment and student accommodation myself, even though they give great guaranteed rental return.

    With regards to books, I’m not sure if you have heard of Julia Hartman. She’s the resident tax expert for the “Property Investor” magazine. Apparently she has written a book “Saving Tax On Your Investment Property”. I have not read it yet, but I have been consistently impressed with her work. May be worth a look?

    Best of luck
    Kenny

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    Thanks, for the post, Kenny.
    I too also stayed away from students accomodation.
    Jenny

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