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  • Profile photo of noddynolnoddynol
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    I'm keen to ensure I am using the correct method to working out cashflows.
    When involved with negatively geared property, it is important to know how much of one's "Own Money" is required to be added to keep the investment afloat.

    Ive seen and used fancy spreadsheets and Property Investment Analysis (PIA) software but Im not confident in their accuracy and would rather know the correct formula myself.

    I also don't like using say "average rate of 30c" ….

    The method I have used is as follows (with an example provided):

    -Property renting for $290/w
    -Taxable Income outside of Property of $57,500 (ie salary as employee minus non property deductions)
    does not include the rent.
    -tax payable on this $57,500 income would be $11,712  (taken from taxcalc.com.au)

    PROPERTY DETAILS:
    (yearly figures listed)
    (only "main" expenses listed  – I appreciate their are others. lets k.i.s.s.)
    (ownership is in sole name 100%)

    Rent $15,080

    Interest $11,722
    Council Rates: $2000
    Property Agent Fee $1244
    Depreciation: $3,000
    Total Deduction: $17,996

    The Loss: $17,996 – $15,080   which is total deductions minus the rent
    Loss: $2,886

    Now, the loss gets minused off the original taxable income of $57,500 – thus making the taxable income $54,614.  According to taxcalc.com.au the tax payable on that taxable income of $54,614 is $10,687.

    Therefore the negative gearing tax refund would be the difference between the tax payable on the (original) taxable income of $57,500 vs the taxable income of $54,614?
    So that's $11,712 – $10,687 = $1025

    So , I add the tax refund to the loss
    $2,886 – $1,025 = $1861

    Therefore, the property is negatively geared to the tune of $1,861 or $35 per week.

    Can I have confirmation that my method above is correct?
    Cheers
    Noddynol

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Yep, that looks correct.

    Just don't forget the other expenses such as travel, and loan fees (over 5 years)

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Whilst of course we are keeping it simple i assume you have not considered any of the Building Write off if applicable.

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of Scott No MatesScott No Mates
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    He's picked that up under Depreciation $3k Richard

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Normally Depreciation and BWO would be shown separately under Div 10.

    $3000 seems a small amount for a combined figure.

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of noddynolnoddynol
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    yep i realise there are stacks more possible deductions such as repairs & maintainance,  loan costs, travel etc etc ..had just kept a simple list for the purpose of the example..

    so in principle is the formula correct?

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Yes

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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